clutchless gear change

[VNA]

You mean some folks don't?

Clutch is for 1st gear, sometimes 2nd to 3rd in traffic, and on it down changes only.

I guess it's like lots of folks don't know how to steer their bike (true but frightening) and loads of folks are fathing aboot screwing up gear changes with the clutch when you don't need to touch it.  Dear of dear!

[Buzz]

...on the topic of "smooth" changes, how about "blipping" on downshifts?  I've tried it a few times but can never get it right, I'm sure the missus would appreciate it though.

[Slaninar]

...on the topic of "smooth" changes, how about "blipping" on downshifts?  I've tried it a few times but can never get it right, I'm sure the missus would appreciate it though.

Practice until you get it right. Small 4 cylinder Fazer is forgiving, but a single cylinder bike could lock the rear wheel when downshifting without blipping (unless smooth with clutch).

[Dead Eye]

...on the topic of "smooth" changes, how about "blipping" on downshifts?  I've tried it a few times but can never get it right, I'm sure the missus would appreciate it though.

Yup, I do this all the time as well

Took a bit of getting used to initially, but I do it without thinking now. Occasionally I'll get it wrong a little, but most of the time its fine and is sooo much smoother when coming down the gears

[sure2ride]

Tried it once, didn't like it..... ( Bit like sex  )  Mate of mines a retired bike copper, does it all the time. Been a pillion on his bike and it was as smooth as you like. Not for me though, just can;t get the knack so I stick with the clutch. Horses for courses I think.

[Dave48]

For less experienced riders having the clutch is a good start! Clutchless changes can be done smoothly quickly & without any internal engine damage-but as they say "Practice makes Perfect". It also helps if you can visualise what all the various components are doing inside the motor/gearbox-encourages mechanical sympathy. No reason why you cant learn to front brake & downchange blipping the throttle simultaneously.

[Dead Eye]

Its quite a good feeling when you master it, using the front brake at the same time takes a bit of getting used to. I understand why a lot of riders only use one or two fingers for braking now and why they fit shortened levers... definitely on my to-do list

[notoriusb.e.n]

Had to do 200 miles without a clutch when my beemer broke down in wales - clutchless changes are easy just get the revs right and gently apply pressure on the lever till it snicks in -  its the stopping/starting without one thats the challenge!

However my preference is to use the clutch as Mr Bike Designer intended.

[simonm]

Had to do 200 miles without a clutch when my beemer broke down in wales - clutchless changes are easy just get the revs right and gently apply pressure on the lever till it snicks in -  its the stopping/starting without one thats the challenge!

However my preference is to use the clutch as Mr Bike Designer intended.

I thought you were supposed to roll off the throttle while changing so that the gears are not under engine load ?

[notoriusb.e.n]

Yes, you want the revs to be about where they would be for a normal change (or slightly higher) and let off, then re-engage. tbh though I was a bit caveman in my approach being as it was out of necessity rather than choice.

[Dead Eye]

[quote author=notoriusb.e.n link=topic=8708.msg86812#msg86812 date=1373442674]
Had to do 200 miles without a clutch when my beemer broke down in wales - clutchless changes are easy just get the revs right and gently apply pressure on the lever till it snicks in -  its the stopping/starting without one thats the challenge!

However my preference is to use the clutch as Mr Bike Designer intended.

I thought you were supposed to roll off the throttle while changing so that the gears are not under engine load ?
[/quote]

Yup, that's correct

Completely different technique required when coming down the box and its much more difficult

[red98]

the answer to a smooth clutchless gearchange up and down the box is to match engine speed to road speed    this is why blipping helps on down shifts.....try it going down the box by very gently pressing down on the lever whilst the revs drop on slowing down and when the speeds are matched it will just slip into gear....thats why practice helps and also getting to know the bike 

[Enceladus]

have a look at this.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdrUj1Kq...20&index=6

[sure2ride]

Useful little vid. Maybe I'll have another go

[Enceladus]

he has done a better one.
will see if i can find it.

[simonm]

Useful little vid. Maybe I'll have another go

I found it virtually impossible until I had correctly adjusted my gear selector.  Just a light pressure upward on the gear selector,roll off the throttle, the gear will slip in and then on the throttle again.  It's a sweet feelin

[Enceladus]

[quote author=sure2ride link=topic=8708.msg86865#msg86865 date=1373460362]
Useful little vid. Maybe I'll have another go

I found it virtually impossible until I had correctly adjusted my gear selector.  Just a light pressure upward on the gear selector,roll off the throttle, the gear will slip in and then on the throttle again.  It's a sweet feelin
[/quote]

sure is !
have found a false neutral a couple of times though which is a bit embarrasing!  :o

[simonm]

[quote author=simonm link=topic=8708.msg86880#msg86880 date=1373463501]
[quote author=sure2ride link=topic=8708.msg86865#msg86865 date=1373460362]
Useful little vid. Maybe I'll have another go

I found it virtually impossible until I had correctly adjusted my gear selector.  Just a light pressure upward on the gear selector,roll off the throttle, the gear will slip in and then on the throttle again.  It's a sweet feelin
[/quote]

sure is !
have found a false neutral a couple of times though which is a bit embarrasing!  :o
[/quote]
I've found myself using the clutch for 1-2 cos it's so clunky I only really clutchless going upward for 3,4,5 &6

[Enceladus]

[quote author=Enceladus link=topic=8708.msg86881#msg86881 date=1373463822]
[quote author=simonm link=topic=8708.msg86880#msg86880 date=1373463501]
[quote author=sure2ride link=topic=8708.msg86865#msg86865 date=1373460362]
Useful little vid. Maybe I'll have another go

I found it virtually impossible until I had correctly adjusted my gear selector.  Just a light pressure upward on the gear selector,roll off the throttle, the gear will slip in and then on the throttle again.  It's a sweet feelin
[/quote]

sure is !
have found a false neutral a couple of times though which is a bit embarrasing!  :o
[/quote]
I've found myself using the clutch for 1-2 cos it's so clunky I only really clutchless going upward for 3,4,5 &6
[/quote]
ditto.
if you have a look at the other gearchanging vids russ (roadcraft nottingham) has done, they are quite helpful as a prelude to clutchless changing.

[Dead Eye]

[quote author=Enceladus link=topic=8708.msg86881#msg86881 date=1373463822]
[quote author=simonm link=topic=8708.msg86880#msg86880 date=1373463501]
[quote author=sure2ride link=topic=8708.msg86865#msg86865 date=1373460362]
Useful little vid. Maybe I'll have another go

I found it virtually impossible until I had correctly adjusted my gear selector.  Just a light pressure upward on the gear selector,roll off the throttle, the gear will slip in and then on the throttle again.  It's a sweet feelin
[/quote]

sure is !
have found a false neutral a couple of times though which is a bit embarrasing!  :o
[/quote]
I've found myself using the clutch for 1-2 cos it's so clunky I only really clutchless going upward for 3,4,5 &6
[/quote]

Just in case; a false neutral is finding a space between two gears (that aren't 1st or 2nd) where neither is engaged

I've had this happen once on my old bike where I went to go from 5th to 6th and ended up not being in any gear at all, makes a nice crunch when you finally get it in