Oil Additives

[noggythenog]

Hey packie


According to the site it lasts up to 10 years,can change colour after a while exposed to sunlight but apparently with no loss of secret uber powers!!!

[darrsi]

:rolleyes  How is Activ8 any different?

So if these additives are so good, why aren't they in the oil to start with along with the countless other things?

It's a bit like saying why didn't they put a sensible front sprocket nut on, why do the exhausts rust, why do the cam chains wear so quick, etc.
I'd imagine it's a money thing, as always, to keep costs down. Add to that the fact that it's an after market product, which applies to most things.
I'm not the marketing rep here, i'm just saying i've used it and i say it works!
You're trying to make a case but you are arguing blind.
If you don't believe me then there's only one way to find out for sure isn't there?  :lol

[stevierst]

I can also vouch for activ8 working. I saw the demo years ago and asked all the same questions, but as an engineer I was impressed with the results. Its not a placebo effect, although I'm sceptical about how long its supposed to 'bind' with the metal between oil changes. The results from experiencing the product are definately noticeable, but they won't put it in mainstream oils, because you wouldn't want to make them too good so they don't need changing. Its a supply and demand world, the salesmen know how to sell. :rolleyes

[noggythenog]

I like this topic,it's a nice winter warmer, a wee dram,log fire,slippers & a good old discussion,actually who am i kidding-more like a bottle o buckfast tonic wine in my pre fab house & a bun fight ,it's true to the foc-u style though i think.


Anyway to stoke the fire a bit more i seemed to piss off mr activ8 by the mere mention of nay sayers of his product so here's his reply,ok so trying to be impartial i suppose he didnt actually answer my questions directly but it's worth posting anyway, so:-


"Firstly, thank you for your order. Your order is being procesed and will be despatched today via the Royal Mail 1st Class Recorded Delivery service.

You mentioned that members of a forum you have been involved with have been discussing the ACTIV8 Universal Friction Reducer. Those that have used ACTIV8 products have all been duelly impressed with no down sides reported. However, there are others on the forum, proporting to be knowledgable about a product they have neither handled or used themselves and suggesting that the use of our product will cause unwanted issues.

Firstly, be very wary of so called experts as they nearly always hold a hidden agenda and also be aware of a companies long established (20years) reputation for supplying products that are balanced and designed for purpose and that have been used in many extreme applications that no general consumer would ever get these products to perform in and have all performed beyond expectation.

We have given up in trying to educate people that believe they 'know it all' and have decided instead to offer every customer a 100% no quibble guarantee as an assurance to all customers that if for ANY reason they are unsatisfied with our products, they may return them (used or otherwise) for a FULL refund. No other lubricant company offer such a service.

We are no longer interested in trying to convince 'know it alls' about the technology that goes in to our products but what we do do is stand by every customer that does used them and hopefully give them a customer service second to none.

Please feel free to publish our response. I know my responce seems very insulting to some, but after producing and providing products, for this amount of time, that do as they say we are just getting a little long in the tooth repeating the same arguments time and time again.

Thank you again for your order. If you have any questions about the use of our products, please do not hesitate to contact me again and I'll be happy to help

Best Regards
Chris Simpson
Support



ACTIV8 Lubricants Limited
Millriggs Park
Hightae
Lockerbie
DG11 1JL
Tel: +44 (0)1387 811007
Fax: +44 (0)1387 811008
Email: info@activ8.co.uk
Web: http://www.activ8.co.uk

Manufacturer of the following brands:

Established in 1993 to provide aftermarket fuel and oil products that provide gains in efficency and working life.

ACTIV8 Universal Friction Reducer is an oil additive for engines and transmissions that reduces metal to metal wear by up to 90% and is guaranteed not to invalidate manufacturers' warranties. Guarranteed to provide a minimum 5%* gain in BHP/Economy or your money back!
(* = guarantee applies to a vehicles improved BHP/economy when using ACTIV8 Universal Friction Reducer in both the engine and transmission.)

ACTIV8 Chain Lube: A balanced, highly penetrative lubricant offering anti fling capabilities allowing extention of mechanical life of the chain which in turn allows less losses due to friction and therefore gains in performance and/or economy.

ACTIV8 Chain Cleaner: A balanced, highly penetrative and effective cleaner that includes a lubricant primer to magnify gains in performance and/or economy when used with the ACTIV8 Chain Lube:.


Stockists can be found by clicking on http://www.activ8.co.uk"

[darrsi]

Nice work, somebody else believes me 

If you really wanted to put a spanner in the works you should have changed his name to "Darrsi"  :lol

[richfzs]

I can cope with a company providing a robust defence of their product (too much namby pamby wishy-washy-ness in the world), but this isn't really that, is it? It's just "sod off if you don't like it".

And his grammar and spelling is atrocious  top

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[darrsi]

I can cope with a company providing a robust defence of their product (too much namby pamby wishy-washy-ness in the world), but this isn't really that, is it? It's just "sod off if you don't like it".

And his grammar and spelling is atrocious  top

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You can see where he's coming from though, it's for that very reason in my first post i stated that i've not really spoken much about Activ8 before, and it's simply because i can't be arsed with having to explain myself, and the product.  :wall


I couldn't give a monkey's if nobody buys it, it's more for me.  :woot

[wezdavo]

One thing to bear in mind is that each Oil manufacturer already carefully blends the exact right amount of additives ( Polymers, detergents, dispersants, anti oxidants, antifoam agents etc ) and the oil is tested and certified to meet certain specifications ie ACEA, JASO etc - you start adding other stuff and the carefully blended specification is out of the window ...

Its your money, but with my money i prefer to use good qaulity oil with the additive ratio as it was designed for...

[richfzs]

Can I see where he's coming from? Kinda, but only up to a point. I get it must be frustrating, but he's in business to sell a product. That means you have to do marketing. There are lots of people out there who can't stand (to use just one example) McDonald's (I'm one of them), but McDonald's don't tell them to sod off.

Yes, he gets asked the same questions a lot. So, instead of having a rant, which is almost certainly essentially a prepared piece, put the effort into preparing a robust defence of the product. Include their evidence (or links to it), and he'd get a lot more respect from me. At least I wouldn't be tempted to think he's hiding something, and pasting that into his response would take exactly the same amount of time.

Who knows, he might even get an extra sale from it - which he'll be lucky to do from that reply!

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[stevierst]

There is a balance to it all. Does anyone remember the million mile test of Mobil 1 on a BMW325 about 15-20 years ago? They ran it on Mobil 1 and after the mileage was covered, they blueprinted the engine to find the wear on the car covering about 10k!!

So good oil is good stuff!

The activ8  comes into its own if you run the engine dry for whatever reason, and it keeps on going without fatal damage occuring for a limited time. Its also beneficial for bikes with the gearbox sharing the engine oil.

Swings and roundabouts spring to mind! If you don't want it, don't buy it, but don't knock it till you tried it!

[richfzs]

I'm not knocking it, I've never tried it, and am not a mechanical engineer.

I just think he's doing his company no favours whatsoever, which is  slightly odd especially in the current climate - his response on the whole makes me less likely to try it.

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[noggythenog]

Found this on a type-r forum,amongst other stuff about oil, one part stood out which ive underlined:-


"Although the basestock of an oil will be a major determining factor in the lubrication quality of an oil, chemical additives play a major part in making sure that it does all that it is supposed to do. The chemical additive package of an oil is just as important to insuring the quality of a lubricant as is the particular basestock used.The chemical additive package of an oil is designed to perform a number of tasks and each task is performed by a particular type of chemical. The quality of the chemicals used and the manner in which they are blended plays a large part in determining how well the additive package does its job.

As the quality of the additive chemicals increases, so does the price. In addition, proper blending takes a great deal of research. This requires much time and, again, money.
Therefore, manufacturers will, of course, charge more for motor oils which contain a high quality additive package than those with lower quality additive packages. They simply can't afford not to.

Each chemical within an oils additive package plays a different role in boosting the beneficial properties of it's host lubricant (basestock). "


So maybe it is a cost thing,perhaps companies would add it if people were prepared to pay the price which they aren't or maybe they can't add it because they don't own the patent for that additive.


Or maybe not who knows,im prepared to give it a go anyway.

[wezdavo]

Found this on a type-r forum,amongst other stuff about oil, one part stood out which ive underlined:-


"Although the basestock of an oil will be a major determining factor in the lubrication quality of an oil, chemical additives play a major part in making sure that it does all that it is supposed to do. The chemical additive package of an oil is just as important to insuring the quality of a lubricant as is the particular basestock used.The chemical additive package of an oil is designed to perform a number of tasks and each task is performed by a particular type of chemical. The quality of the chemicals used and the manner in which they are blended plays a large part in determining how well the additive package does its job.

As the quality of the additive chemicals increases, so does the price. In addition, proper blending takes a great deal of research. This requires much time and, again, money.
Therefore, manufacturers will, of course, charge more for motor oils which contain a high quality additive package than those with lower quality additive packages. They simply can't afford not to.

Each chemical within an oils additive package plays a different role in boosting the beneficial properties of it's host lubricant (basestock). "


So maybe it is a cost thing,perhaps companies would add it if people were prepared to pay the price which they aren't or maybe they can't add it because they don't own the patent for that additive.


Or maybe not who knows,im prepared to give it a go anyway.

This is already the case with cheap oils and expensive oils...

When you pay more you are paying for expensive additives that fight friction, corrosion, give better adheasion,reduce drag and foaming, the list goes on...

imho if you are using decent oil you need not worry about expensive extra additives...

Fighting friction is only half the story when it comes to oil.. film thickness and visosity temp range are far more importent to protecting it from going bang!

[packie]

I can cope with a company providing a robust defence of their product (too much namby pamby wishy-washy-ness in the world), but this isn't really that, is it? It's just "sod off if you don't like it".

You must have interpreted differently than I did. I didn't get a "sod off if you don't like it" in his message. I got more of a "this product works 100% and if you don't think so, we will refund you even if you used the product and we will call it quits". I don't think a company can be fairer than that.[size=78%] [/size]

[darrsi]

[quote author=richfzs link=topic=6291.msg57701#msg57701 date=1360693228]
I can cope with a company providing a robust defence of their product (too much namby pamby wishy-washy-ness in the world), but this isn't really that, is it? It's just "sod off if you don't like it".

You must have interpreted differently than I did. I didn't get a "sod off if you don't like it" in his message. I got more of a "this product works 100% and if you don't think so, we will refund you even if you used the product and we will call it quits". I don't think a company can be fairer than that.
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Agreed, in this day and age a 100% guarantee is fairly faultless.......

[darrsi]

To all you non believers, call their bluff!


If you don't like it, get a refund!

[packie]

To all you non believers, call their bluff!


If you don't like it, get a refund!

I'll give it a pop, I think. Only thing is that I'll have to wait a few months as I only did an oil change recently.  :\

It would be handy if it helped the gear change as 1st to 2nd isn't the sweetest. Thats one strong point with the Bandits that I owned....nice slick gearboxes. The Fazer reminds me of my old XS1100 beast with the same 1st to 2nd traits were you really want to change gear instantly or else you get a more "crunching" sounding gear change. So any improvement there would be most welcome. It's not costing an arm and a leg either if you couldn't even be bothered sending it back.

[darrsi]

[quote author=darrsi link=topic=6291.msg57761#msg57761 date=1360717255]
To all you non believers, call their bluff!


If you don't like it, get a refund!

I'll give it a pop, I think. Only thing is that I'll have to wait a few months as I only did an oil change recently.  :\

It would be handy if it helped the gear change as 1st to 2nd isn't the sweetest. Thats one strong point with the Bandits that I owned....nice slick gearboxes. The Fazer reminds me of my old XS1100 beast with the same 1st to 2nd traits were you really want to change gear instantly or else you get a more "crunching" sounding gear change. So any improvement there would be most welcome. It's not costing an arm and a leg either if you couldn't even be bothered sending it back.
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If you did an oil change recently then that's not a problem at all, just add it now.

[noggythenog]

I would say the activ8 guy could have been a little more helpful but im not overly bothered by his reply.


I'm tempted to mail him again.



Quick delivery though, my bottle just arrived in the post & i didnt order it til yesterday lunch time.


Im tempted to chuck some in my car but i've got an ongoing issue with an exhaust pressure sensor that should be fixed soon,in the interests of science & all that i'll wait til that's sorted first so i'm not changing too many variables.it's the mega efficient 3 cylinder motor & i consistently get about 500 miles out've tank local driving.if it makes a difference i'll notice.the engine noise will be hard to prove other than my personal opinion,suppose i could take a video but noise can differ so much depending on atmospherics/wind etc.

[Fazerider]

Have to agree with Rich there, that's a piss-poor responce (sic) from Mr Activ8.
No link to independent research to verify his claims. No citations from any engine manufacturers to say they recommend the use of this snake oil. No major lubricant producers lining up to say Silkolene/Putoline/Castrol would be improved by adding the stuff to their oil would overcome some deficit in their own additive packages. Just a warning to be wary of us unbelievers for we have a hidden agenda. :lol