redundancy and the law!

[goldfazer]

'And sorry to make a political point, '

No you're not :lol :lol :lol

[Rusty]

'And sorry to make a political point, '

No you're not :lol :lol :lol

And who is this Troy party anyway? They sound like a bad lot.  :evil

[VNA]

And who is this Troy party anyway? They sound like a bad lot.  [img alt=:evil]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/evil.gif[/img]

No foccing edit button is there?

I meant foccing Tory scum bags of course. 

[locksmith]

Don't mince your words :lol

[chilly]

my sentiments exactly. ukip next time

[Rusty]

my sentiments exactly. ukip next time

Me too. I voted labour in '97 when the majority put their trust in Blair and gave New Labour a genuine opportunity to make the country a better place to be. In return we got what we have today. :\  UKIP from now on fuck 'em.

[VNA]

UKIP?  Oh my God!  A sort of cross between the lunatic fringe of the Tory party and the fascists in suits of the BNP.

The Tories are bad enougth, but UKIP - please!

[Rusty]

UKIP?  Oh my God!  A sort of cross between the lunatic fringe of the Tory party and the fascists in suits of the BNP. The Tories are bad enougth, but UKIP - please!

Oh go on then, I'll pretend those 13 years of war, lies intrusiveness and deceit never happened and vote labour gain.  :rolleyes  My god I've only just stopped grinding my teeth after Gordon Brown, one glimpse of his phoney smile should tell you who the lunatic fringe were.


Nigel Farage..i want you all fired. what the EU should be 06/07/11
I want a politician with a pair of balls to represent me, not some sleazy bastard lining up his next cushy job like Tony Blair or Peter Mandleson.

Vote UKIP lads, they don't like it up 'em. :lol

[chilly]

VOTE RUSTY!

[VNA]

Oh go on then, I'll pretend those 13 years of war, lies intrusiveness and deceit never happened and vote labour gain.  [img alt=:rolleyes width=32 height=32]http://foc-u.co.uk/file:///C:/Users/GARETH%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/img]

A fair point.  Tony reformed the Labour party and placed it on the centre left, but after being elected he continued on a Thatcherite agenda.  More privatisation, public private partnership, private delivery of public services, deregulation of banks and finance, while creating a housing shortage and  allowing an economy to grow rapidly on the back of easy credit and rising asset prices.  In other words a hard swing to the right.  And yes those wars, there never was any WMD, the only folks with the WMD were us lot.

But I don't see a further swing to the right as the answer.  UKIP want to weaken industrial tribunals, which is further weakening of our employment laws.  I wonder (genuinely as I don't know) what their response was to the ditched Tory proposals.    And I can't find hardly any mention of Trade Unions when googling their manifesto.

UKIP want to increase military spending, and have pledged to replace the Trident Nuclear 'Deterrent'  I'm sorry but putting aside the moral aspects of nuclear weapons, well there just ain't any money for that sort of madness.

I also recall Farrage backing bribes for arms sales and stating that he didn't really care that the regimes we are or may sell to are corrupt and frankly may have no actual use of the systems we are or may sell them. 
They are also climate change deniers.  This when in the next ten years it's possible we may see the Arctic Ice Cap completely melt.  They don't do renewable energy. 

His party is also firmly in favour of reducing taxes for the rich.  Perhaps the rest of us will become the 99.9% under a Nigel government rather than just the mere 99%.

Of course things look shit.  We haven't had electoral reform.  The Lid Dems have blown their biggest chance ever, if they had of chosen not to get in bed with the Tory party, well the Tory party having formed a minority government would probably be back in the wilderness by now.  Instead the Lib Dems got into bed with the crooks and failed to deliver the only thing that could ever be worth such a move -  electoral reform - and are now about to be completely wiped out.

So it's Tory or Labour again.  Has Labour reformed enough and found their soul again? 

I could go on.  But what the UK is missing is choice.  You are looking at a crumbling democracy. 

[slappy]

climate change deniers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!sign me up right now

[VNA]

Oh, and they want to privatise the NHS, plus allow rich folks who can afford private care the option of opting out of funding what is left of our public health service.

[Rusty]

We need to look a little further down the line.

There's not a party in existence whose policies I wholly endorse, but currently the biggest threat to us as a nation doesn't come from separatists, mass immigration or global warming, but the increasing threat of global governance. In a world run for corporate interests by people like the Bilderberger's, or graduates of the psuedo charity 'Common Purpose' all democracy is lost.

We are witnessing a coup by the bankers who are trying to set up a globalist, corporatist, technocratic communitarian dictatorship.  To achieve this they must first destroy national sovereignty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

UKIP will remove us from the EU which itself is an instrument of globalism. Restoring the nation state thus national sovereignty and the right to self determination is the number one priority at the moment, the lesser evils mentioned can be disputed once that has been achieved. We want free trade not laws imposed upon us from abroad.

By the way VNA I went to the dentist today and had to pay for it. Dental treatment used to be free on the NHS but it's all gone privatised (and bloody expensive) now.... happened under New Labour that did.

[Rusty]

Oh, and for those not really interested in politics here's clarification of a couple of things.


The Bilderberg group are a group of the international elite - the outstanding 1% VNA refers to. They are the bankers, financiers, arms dealers, conglomerates and multi national corporations all with interest in making greater profit from controlling and herding people in a particular direction. Their meetings are attended by many high ranking politicians including Tony Blair, Mandleson, Brown, the Millibands, Cameron, Ken Clarke, all the usual suspects.


Bilderberg meetings are held in secrecy, there are no members of the public allowed to attend, nor reporters admitted. Each politician subsequently refuses to speak of the agenda discussed. Add to this the quasi-political 'charity' that is Common purpose. CP is like a school for future technocrats. They prepare their intake for their future roles in society, be they as Police, Banking, civil service etc. The idea behind it is that all CP trained employees will have loyalty not to the society that they apparently serve, but to the CP agenda. Think of it as a sort of Masonic lodge, the graduates of which will be implanted in senior positions of all areas of public life to run your lives according to the will of the globalists.


When you vote, be it Labour, Tory, or Lib Dem you are voting for a Bilderberger. It is the illusion of choice, you vote but get the same policies they have already decided upon in secret discussions but enacted by a man wearing a different coloured rosette. The UKIP option is an attempt to put a spoke in that particular wheel, to take back our democracy and freedoms before they are quietly legislated away in favour of corporate interests.


I agree with VNA that politically we are witnessing extraordinary times, but it is not merely the collapse of democracy as if by accident, on the contrary, it is being deliberately and wilfully deconstructed. Every person that dismisses politics as 'boring' will no doubt be squealing the loudest when inevitably shit and fan collide, and their cosy world is suddenly intruded upon. It's happening folks, and we're sleepwalking right into it. It's no longer a case of Tories Vs Labour as they are largely one and the same, the option facing us now is that of saving democracy or accepting plutocracy.


Ironically, each time they come to take your freedoms away they justify it by the old line of "if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to fear," yet they hold their own meetings in secret. No transparency, no representation,nothing. It's time we found a 'common purpose'of our own, and that is to retake as a nation our democratic rights and priveleges.

[VNA]

The Bilderberg group are a group of the international elite - the outstanding 1% VNA refers to.

Absolutely not what I was referring to.

Think of it as a sort of Masonic lodge, the graduates of which will be implanted in senior positions of all areas of public life to run your lives according to the will of the globalists.

Or think of this as the world's biggest conspiracy theories.

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3773019.stm

When you vote, be it Labour, Tory, or Lib Dem you are voting for a Bilderberger.

Absolute nonsense.  Conspiracy theory gone mad.
None of this detracts that UKIP is a party that wants to reduce taxes for the rich, privatise the NHS and allow the rich tax breaks for opting out of the NHS, not to mention they want to further weaken your employment rights.  All this while throwing billions of pounds on building a new nuclear 'deterrent'.  And of course they quite relaxed about boosting our dodgy arms industry by bribing corrupt third world dictators into buying systems which they have no use of while the people of their country languish in poverty.
Make no mistake, Nigel Farrage and his buddies are scum, don't fall their lies.

[CRH]

......HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin who,s keeping score??

[Khaotik]

They're all scum. They're in politics to earn as much money as possible and retire as wealthy as possible, its a job to them like the rest of us. If they really had the country's best interest at heart they would be investing in the future, like China did.... but what politician is going to invest in making his successors look good?

The UK has reached critical mass in terms of population yet we are trying to run the country like we did in the 1990s with a 1990s' economy and population.

Labour looks after the welfare bunch, the Tories look after the blue-blood bunch, the Lib Dems have no clue who they look after and no party is looking after the working middle class... hence the middle class shrinking and the spine of this country disappearing.

[chilly]

FECK,WHAT HAVE I STARTED  :lol

[Rusty]

CRH  :lol No, I'm not going to be drawn into a back and forth set of denials there's no point. VNA and I each hold our own views, it's up to you lot to look into these things for yourselves and make your own minds up. Don't be told anything is written in stone, we had enough of that under new Labour and look how that turned out for us. The truth is out there, you just need the will to uncover it rather than blindly go along with those that would manipulate you.


I'll just speak about language, semantics, and it's use in Political censorship.

Did anyone notice during the New Labour years their daily language began to change? So for example we no longer had Firemen but Firefighters, manholes became drain covers etc. This was done in the name of sexual equality, all part of the equality mantra pushed by Labour. What you also saw was the introduction of political correctness which apart from a tool to stifle open debate, is also used in an attempt to remove negative associations from certain words, so for example Immigrants became 'Migrants'.

Quite apart from being grammatically incorrect, such changes are intended to have psychological inferences. So for example an Immigrant is one who comes to stay, a migrant is one who moves from place to place. Birds migrate, humans can also migrate, but anyone coming to stay is an immigrant not migratory. These subtle weasel-word changes have been introduced in order to manipulate public sentiments without their knowledge, or in order to discredit the opposition. Here's an example.

UKIP are also climate change deniers

Do you see the inference in the sentence above? Possible not as the use of this technique is so subtle as to go unnoticed by many, but it has just been used in the above sentence. Note how UKIP (The opposition) have been spoken of as climate change Deniers. In any other field the correct term would be 'Climate change sceptics' but here we see the word 'Deniers' used, to describe and discredit a group of scientists who don't agree with their political agenda.
Ask yourself which other sphere is the word 'Deniers' used almost exclusively ? Holocaust deniers. Therefore the very people who are so sensitive to the effect of language that they subtly change the use of it to make immigrants appear merely migratory, and for whom manholes become gender neutral, now deliberately use a word that has associations with negativity and evil. Coincidence? Of course not. It's is part of the psychological manipulation that is pervading all parts of modern life.

Absolute nonsense.  Conspiracy theory gone mad.

This is the second ploy used to discredit those that find them out. "What me shagging my secretary? Absolutely not - conspiracy theory!"
Again, I don't intend to spend any time posting up things here for VNA to simply refute, all I ask is that you look into these things yourselves and make up your own minds. What needs to happen is the British people, and in fact people of all nations need to wake up to what is being done in their names. The war with Iraq for example was baseless and illegal, and the Prime minister lied to parliament so why no prosecutions laid for Tony Blair? Answer - He's a Bilderberger.
Chris Huhne gets caught perverting the course of justice by having his wife take driving points for him, a year on still no conviction - why? Had that been you or I do you think that 'justice' would have taken so long to process us? Ask questions, inquire about things, don't take anything they tell you as gospel. You will of course be labelled a conspiracy theorist or some such negative term, but remember they like applying labels, they words used as smears to discredit you just as the 'racist bigot' smear was used to discredit many ordinary people for their genuine concerns on immigration.

Has Labour reformed enough and found their soul again?

In a word NO. In fact they haven't reformed at all. Apart from sacking the front man and issuing an insincere Mea Culpa it is the same old crew that brought disaster upon us. Ed Milliband was Gordon Brown's (arguable the worst prime Minister in History) special advisor, Ed Balls was his right hand man! Harriet Harman and her husband are still in place, nothing has changed - it's a con job. Their soul as you put it, has been sold to the globalists, they represent not us but them.

Just remember folks that what you see today are only the designs they have for tomorrow, politics is like chess in that the moves they make now are intender to line up those that will come. We are being prepared for an undemocratic, plutocratic globalist future. Empirical evidence of this exists, it is no conspiracy theory. Your choices are twofold, wake up and begin to take an interest in Politics just as surely as you would wake up and take an interest in a burglar in your home, or sit back and relax, watch the X factor and associated drivel, and let you and your children awake to the fate that you deserve.

[Chillum]

so, tell me again where the lizards fit into the picture?