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BREXIT

(24-03-19, 03:51 PM)VNA link Wrote: There are serious issues concerning our democracy that need addressed.


.....what everyone else refers to as the other side winning fair and square Wink
This Million marchers figure. The bbc have been quoting "the organisers say its over a million ". Now whenever there is a march or a strike the bbc will quote the the organisers figure and always  add the line "put the police but the figure at ----??.

But I have noticed that the bbc do not do that here - they just keep repeating the organisers figure without question.Then on top of that they do not report on the progress of Farages march, if that was the other way around they would have a reporter doing the march with them and giving daily updates.
Anyone know where they are today --------NO. 
The bbc are not coming out of this whole thing with any integrity
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
Quote:.....what everyone else refers to as the other side winning fair and square Wink

No I think what you are not getting is that our democracy is broken.  Not broken because it has not – yet - delivered BREXIT, but because BREXIT has broken it.


It’s also abundantly clear that our politicians can not operate outside of the usual combative first past the post majority UK parliament norm.
Quote:[size=1em] This Million marchers figure. The bbc have been quoting "the organisers say its over a million ". Now whenever there is a march or a strike the bbc will quote the the organisers figure and always  add the line "put the police but the figure at ----??. [/size]
[size=1em]That's it, try and discredit. I was there. The million figure was an underestimate. [/size]


What there was yesterday was lots of young people and families. Not a grumpy old man in sight.
No fights, no arrests and nobody felt the need to send a death threat to anybody....

[size=1em]Tell me, how many at the Leave Means Leave march? [/size]
Quote: .Then on top of that they do not report on the progress of Farages march,
Well to be fair, they do report when the Twat In A Hat occasionally turns up for a photo opportunity to rally his hundred or so marchers. But to be honest, it's hardly worth their while, is it  Smile

(24-03-19, 11:18 PM)mtread link Wrote: [size=1em]That's it, try and discredit. [/size]


That's rich, coming from someone that's done nothing but try to discredit the legitimate Leave referendum result :lol


Some Brexit statistics...


In the 2016 referendum Leave won by 17.4 million against Remain's 16.1 million.


It was the biggest vote in British history for anything.


Leave constituencies outnumbered Remain by 406 to 242.


Of these, Tory Leavers outnumbered Remainers by 247 to 80 and Labour's by 148 to 84.


However....In Parliament 160 MPs support Leave, whilst 486 back Remain.



Another statistic:


3 years ago. People have changed their minds.


Another referendum. What are you afraid of?  :lol
take note remoaners.


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(25-03-19, 10:32 AM)mtread link Wrote: Another referendum. What are you afraid of?  :lol


That if you lose that one you'll demand a third....and a fourth............
But we won't lose, will we  :lol

(25-03-19, 10:43 AM)mtread link Wrote: But we won't lose, will we  :lol


Leave voter apathy would probably see Remain across the line in another referendum.


A significant proportion will say 'Well they've dismissed our vote once, why should we bother again?. Who's to say they won't ignore that one too?'.


The Remainers keep saying that they'll respect the result of a second referendum, but they said that about the first. They aren't to be trusted I'm afraid.







At the moment, the people not to be trusted..... are Tory politicians.


The latest is all about keeping the Tory party together and sticking knives into each other to be leader.


The ERG, Boris and half the Cabinet should just clear off to UKIP and let the others get on with it.
(25-03-19, 10:32 AM)mtread link Wrote: Another statistic:
3 years ago. People have changed their minds.
It is not a statistic - it is a remainer unicorn.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(25-03-19, 10:35 AM)johnakay link Wrote: take note remoaners.

And now the facts...

Quote:The discrepancy is partly due to how the NHS recoups the money it is owed, but also partly because the costs of treating UK citizens abroad are high in comparison to the costs of treating European citizens in the UK.

The amounts involved are relatively small compared to the overall NHS budget, so the claim that changing this “in itself would transform the financial situation of the NHS” is exaggerated.

Health charities have said that the NHS in England needs an extra £4 billion just to stop services getting worse. Even if the UK Government recouped all of the money it is entitled to, this would represent a funding increase of just 7% of this amount.

[...]

To put this figure into some context, the total budget of the NHS in England in 2018-19 is £126 billion.



The figures are broadly correct, although addressing this situation would in itself only have a marginal impact on the financial situation of the NHS.

I really am interested in finding out the best true estimate of how may people attended the london anti brexit demo.
All the MSM seem happy to quote the organisers one million figure although I have seen that some run with the headline one million and then in the copy do not repeat it and just instead say hundreds of thousands.Others use "" and say "one million" 

In the October london rally the orginisers said 700,000 but later a debriefing document prepared by the Greater London Authority put the number of attendees at October's People’s Vote rally at 250,000

I can not find an official numbers estimate from an intendant body, I find this really odd as there is always a police estimate issued. The best I can find is this.   
Manchester Metropolitan University’s Keith Still, a world leader in crowd science who has developed mandatory event-monitoring training for police. Said “Based on the visuals from the helicopter image, it’s between 312,000 and 400,000 people,”


I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(25-03-19, 01:16 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=johnakay link=topic=24678.msg295322#msg295322 date=1553506516]
take note remoaners.

And now the facts...

Quote:The discrepancy is partly due to how the NHS recoups the money it is owed, but also partly because the costs of treating UK citizens abroad are high in comparison to the costs of treating European citizens in the UK.

The amounts involved are relatively small compared to the overall NHS budget, so the claim that changing this “in itself would transform the financial situation of the NHS” is exaggerated.

Health charities have said that the NHS in England needs an extra £4 billion just to stop services getting worse. Even if the UK Government recouped all of the money it is entitled to, this would represent a funding increase of just 7% of this amount.

[...]

To put this figure into some context, the total budget of the NHS in England in 2018-19 is £126 billion.
The figures are broadly correct, although addressing this situation would in itself only have a marginal impact on the financial situation of the NHS.
[/quote]
In the words of Tesco "Every Little Helps"
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.

(24-03-19, 11:18 PM)mtread link Wrote: What there was yesterday was lots of young people and families. Not a grumpy old man in sight.


Yes but when it comes to polling day all the 'grumpy old men' (and grumpy old women let's not forget Wink ) turn out come rain or shine.


It was your 'youth vote' that let you down by not bothering to vote in 2016 :lol
Quote: I can not find an official numbers estimate from an intendant body, I find this really odd as there is always a police estimate issued. The best I can find is this.    Manchester Metropolitan University’s Keith Still, a world leader in crowd science who has developed mandatory event-monitoring training for police. Said “Based on the visuals from the helicopter image, it’s between 312,000 and 400,000 people,”
Well of course there's not an 'official estimate' we didn't go through bloody turnstiles.
And one person's estimate from looking at a helicopter image? Be serious :lol
I was there. I was at the previous anti Brexit march, and I was at the Stop The War march. This one was far bigger than those.
No you're not  'interested in trying to find a true estimate '. You're just trying to discredit. Perhaps you should have come along and counted them yourself Wink
Anyway, I'll ask again, how many at Fartage's march?
Quote: Yes but when it comes to polling day all the 'grumpy old men' (and grumpy old women let's not forget ) turn out come rain or shine.

Yes but a large proportion of them have died since 2016, and have been replaced by nice optimistic 18 year olds  Smile


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