BREXIT

[YamFazFan]

Yes Remain would walk it with those options. You alienate all those who wanted to leave with No Deal.


The stitch-up would be complete.


It'd be a hollow 'victory' though. Mass protests like you've never seen before, whole swathes of the electorate disenfranchised from democracy, trust in politics and politicians at an all time low. And the row about The EU would rumble on and on and on.............

[YamFazFan]

You can't have a referendum with 3 options. It has to be a binary question. Parliament will get to choose the question, as they did last time. Parliament has already ruled out No Deal,so it'll be Leaving under May's Deal/Remain. Easy win 

So you'd have the same general option as before for Remain, but a modified narrowed down more specific option for Leave?


In other words a re-run of 2016, but with only one side altered?.


Can't see Parliament agreeing to such a fit-up as that :lol

[YamFazFan]

Parliament has already ruled out No Deal,so it'll be Leaving under May's Deal/Remain. Easy win 

It would be the people voting, not Parliament. The people haven't ruled out No Deal

[mtread]

You don't need to alter Remain, it's quite specific. Leave would have to be a specific version, unlike the 'Leave and then what?' in 2016. The other option could be a specific 'No Deal' but as said Parliament will get to choose, and there aren't enough No Deal MPs. Labour has suggested it will back May's deal on condition she puts it to a referendum. So the direction is there.


Actually I've just had a look at the latest news headlines, and I haven't a foccing clue what's going on at the moment. But I suspect I'm not alone  :rolleyes

[YamFazFan]

Actually I've just had a look at the latest news headlines, and I haven't a foccing clue what's going on at the moment. But I suspect I'm not alone  :rolleyes

May's going to write to Tusk begging for an extension up until the end of June....or possibly longer. Up to two years longer maybe. How humiliating.

They're acting all superior and pretending to think about it, but we all know that they're shitting themselves about the UK leaving with no deal, or at all, and will definately grant it in the hope that it might lead to Article 50 being revoked or the rigged referendum that you refer to.

[mtread]

Just put Corbyn in charge. Sorted 

[YamFazFan]

General election I say. We need stronger government.



That may be the Conservatives with a decent working majority by the way.

[mtread]

Is that those 'strong and stable' Conservatives you're talking about? 


To be honest, if it's May vs Corbyn I expect the lowest turnout ever..... and the Lib Dems to get in  :lol

[YamFazFan]

Nothing would surprise me any more after all this :\

[steve 10562cc]

Perhaps if nobody turned out to vote the MPs all of them from every party would realise what shower of  s**t the general public thought they were. 

[dazza]

Time to roll out article 61 of the Magna Carter and withhold our tax payments.


http://www.paparty.co.uk/direct_democracy_tax.htm

[unfazed]

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:lol :lol

[mtread]

Perhaps if nobody turned out to vote the MPs all of them from every party would realise what shower of  s**t the general public thought they were.

Trouble is there'd always be one idiot that votes, and we'd end up with Farage in charge :pokefun

Time to roll out article 61 of the Magna Carter and withhold our tax payments.

That could be a bit tricky in practice with PAYE. And VAT, come to think of it.

[Grahamm]

So you have two voting options for the Leave voters to choose from, but just one for Remain, thus splitting the Leave vote in two and guaranteeing a Remain win?.

Yes you'd love that wouldn't you :lol

Perhaps you've not heard of the Single Transferrable Vote system?

Or do you think it would be too complicated for people to be required to rank their choices as 1st, 2nd and 3rd?

[dazza]

[color=rgb(85, 85, 85)]Working PAYE[/color]
[color=rgb(85, 85, 85)]1. Notify HMRC in writing that you are invoking Article 61 of the Magna Carta [inform them of your tax code].[/color]
[color=rgb(85, 85, 85)]2. List the government policies that you are unhappy with your tax payments funding and fully explain your reasons [be specific about how you feel about these particular policies]. The government will then have forty days to amend or repeal the policies and if they fail to do so, you then have the legal right to continue to with-hold tax payments.[/color]
[color=rgb(85, 85, 85)]3. Inform HMRC that you are also informing your employer of your right and will to invoke Article 61 of the Magna Carta.[/color]
[color=rgb(85, 85, 85)]4. Notify your employer in writing that you have notified HMRC of your right and will to invoke Article 61 of the Magna Carta and that they must therefore cease deducting tax payments from you and that any issues they may have about you invoking Article 61 of the Magna Carta and about them not deducting your tax payments must be addressed by HMRC directly and not by yourself. While knowing that you are not legally qualified to answer to such issues and after being advised by you to approach HMRC to resolve any issues, questioning you would therefore constitute harassment and maybe also obstruction [depending upon their will to comply with your lawful request to invoke Article 61 of the Magna Carta].[/color]
[color=rgb(85, 85, 85)][/size]Working self employed[/color]
[color=rgb(85, 85, 85)]1. Notify HMRC in writing that you are invoking Article 61 of the Magna Carta [include your self assessment account details].[/color]
[color=rgb(85, 85, 85)]2. List the government policies that you are unhappy with your tax payments funding and fully explain your reasons [be specific about how you feel about these particular policies]. The government will then have forty days to amend or repeal the policies and if they fail to do so, you then have the legal right to continue to with-hold tax payments.[/color]
[color=rgb(85, 85, 85)][/size]Article 61 of the Magna Carta[/color]
[color=rgb(85, 85, 85)] [/color][color=rgb(79, 130, 203)]PA direct democracy video: The Magna Carta and Article 61 [Lawful Rebellion][/color][color=rgb(85, 85, 85)] [/color][color=rgb(79, 130, 203)]Magna Carta - complete history[/color][color=rgb(85, 85, 85)][/color]
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[color=rgb(85, 85, 85)]What could they possibly do to you, after all we live in a free democratic country. :rolleyes [/color]

[YamFazFan]

[quote author=YamFazFan link=topic=24678.msg294948#msg294948 date=1552997916]
So you have two voting options for the Leave voters to choose from, but just one for Remain, thus splitting the Leave vote in two and guaranteeing a Remain win?.

Yes you'd love that wouldn't you :lol

Perhaps you've not heard of the Single Transferrable Vote system?

Or do you think it would be too complicated for people to be required to rank their choices as 1st, 2nd and 3rd?
[/quote]


Is this a joke? :lol .

[mtread]

[color=rgb(85, 85, 85)]Working PAYE[/color]

I know Dazza, I even followed your link  :eek


But I can't see it happening. No employer is going to stop deducting income tax. Giving hmrc 40 days notice and then taking them to court? Hmmm. And how do we stop paying other taxes, like fuel duty? Do we fill up our tanks and then only pay the garage a fraction of the price?


BTW it's 'Magna Carta' (Latin) rather than 'Magna Carter'. I think you're confusing it with the steak restaurant chain :lol


www.millerandcarter.co.uk

[YamFazFan]

'Magna Carter'

Brave Hungarian peasant girl who forced King John to sign the pledge at Runnymede and close the boozers at half past ten

[mtread]

Yep, a[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)]s Shakespeare said in "The Merchant Of Vienna," when Portion accused Shylock Holmes of pinching a pound of meat [/color]

[Grahamm]

1. Notify HMRC in writing that you are invoking Article 61 of the Magna Carta

And HMRC respond that:

Of the 61 provisions set out in the 1215 version (as divided and numbered by Sir William Blackstone in 1759), most were repealed between 1828 and 1969 on grounds of obsolescence

three remain on the statute book.

First, the freedom of the church is confirmed

Second, the pre-existing liberties and customs of the City of London are confirmed:

Third, perhaps the most famous of all: ‘No Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will we not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the Land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.’ (Chapter 39, 1215; Chapter 29, 1225.)