Good News!! Ian Brady is dead!!

[tommyardin]

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[quote author=VNA link=topic=22591.msg260697#msg260697 date=1494959410]
  At the end of the day Brady was a psychopath.

I'm with others who think that the visit to the Moors a few years back was about Power.

Of course it was.  Psychopath’s need to be in control, they also need attention.  Even his will is an manipulative attention seeking document.


The public are his audience, and he has played to them.


As for the death penalty, and “beyond reasonable doubt” of which every guilty sentence is beyond reasonable doubt.  Though note that our law allows for doubt in that very statement of “beyond reasonable doubt”.  So what of the Birmingham six and the Guildford four?  Convictions on the back of corrupt policing and a dodgy legal system.  They would all be dead if some of you here had your way. And indeed when you think back to the convictions of those innocent men, well there was no doubt the public was baying for blood - big time.  An eye for an eye indeed.

I personally see nothing wrong with VNA's post it seems well thought out and reasoned, just because someone thinks different to the way others do it does not make the opinion invalid.
As commented, beyond reasonable doubt is allowed in British law, and who can say with absolute 100% certainty anything, there will always be doubt because we all see things through our own personal experiences or our own coloured spectacles.


The fact that Brady took the police to the Moors and disclosed where some of the bodies were buried has moved it beyond reasonable doubt as to his guilt.
I personally think that his life should have been forfeit, but had that happened a lot of the murdered children would never have received a decent burial and parents not given the opportunity to lay their child to rest.


The people who actually had to make these sort of decisions as to who would live and who would die have to live with the outcome of their decisions, and people are fickle and change their mind at the drop of a hat.


For Example:
The Bible story of Jesus as he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey people were calling out Hosanna, a verbal expression of Glory, adoration and joy, they were also laying palm branches in His path, palm branches meant well-being and victory, these people saw Jesus as someone who would save them from the domination of the Roman Empire. 
These very same people that cried Hosanna and laid palm branches in His path were the very same ones who a few days later cried out crucify him.
Whatever you do and whatever decisions you make, someone or some group will always say you made the wrong decision, it's human nature. People are and always will be fickle, their minds are changed by the slightest gust or wind and I number myself amongst them. 
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What the feck are you chatting about now???
It was bad enough getting political, now you're bringing fairy stories into the equation?  :rolleyes
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See Darrsi's comment is exactly what I was saying about people all having an opinion and believing that opinion to be the right one.
I am not talking about religion, I am talking about History, events that have been recorded in numerous books, events that tie up with other History books of that time and that fit in and line up with Roman records and Roman Emporeres that were in power at that time and and Jewish records, who most do not believe that this Jesus was who he claimed to be in any way, but they did not deny his existence because they recorded him in there writings.
History has recorded that the story of Jesus to be is a true story, now whether he was who He claimed to be or just a deluded individual you make your own mind up, but history is history and for someone to say off the top of their head this or that is just a fairy story is absolutely unbelievable. It would be the same as me saying Christopher Columbus never existed or Ceaser was a figment of someone's imagination. You can not say theses are Fairy Stories cos you were not there.
I know this has now moved this post to a completely different place and my apologies about that, but to completely write something off as a fairy story just because they have made a dicission for themself or choose not to believe it is ridiculous because if it is true it is true and your choice will make not one jot or tittle of difference to the truth. Passionately believing something that is not true makes a person gullible, passionately disbelieving something that is true makes a person arrogant.