Road Rage.

[Fazer99]

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They should not allow anyone behind the wheel of a car until they have passed their CBT on a bike as a minimum. Better still , ban anyone from sitting behind the wheel of a car until they can evidence at least 100 hours of on-road bike experience.

If that were the case I'd suggest the same for both sides of the fence. Everyone should be required to have time spent on both a bike AND in a car. I've known one or two sole bikers who could do with spending some time behind the wheel of a car

We're all motorists after all and although some groups will live up to certain stereotypes more than others, we should all be willing to improve ourselves
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Not arguing with you on that point as yes there are a lot of bikers out there that really could do with some extra road training. However, the point is that bikers are more vulnerable due to car drivers not looking or knowing where to look, plus you go through more intensive training and tests to get a bike licence than you do to get a car licence, so maybe they should introduce mod 1 & 2 tests for getting a car licence.
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Fair points, well made Though strangely I feel as though I went through less training to get my motorcycle licence than I did for my car licence.

I did about 15 months of driving (my dad taught me) to get my car licence whereas I went from zero experience to having a full motorcycle licence in just under a month and a half due to Direct Access. Though of course you can do the same sort of thing with car licences as well

But again, the laws regarding motorcycle training have changed yet again since I did it. Also, the Mod 1 and Mod 2 tests are in place due to EU law requirements regarding speed. One of the tests requires you to accelerate to at least 50kph which is above the street legal 30mph in the UK and as such, this has to be performed off of the public highway creating the split between Mod 1 and 2 - though I'm sure most of you are aware of that That being said, practicing those manoeuvres off road is useful


One other quick thought... getting a licence almost seems a bit like standardised tests for education. You are taught how to pass a test more than you are taught how to perform the task - for some that's not a problem as we can easily understand how to transfer the skills to real life. But for others, they never fully take on board what they are being taught and end up as some of the most dangerous drivers on the roads
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I think a lot of it would be down to how good the instructors are as one of my car instructors was shite as they gave me out dated study information for my theory test causing me to fail several times also he didn't have a fecking clue when it came to directing me as he tried sending me down roads where there were no roads plus he tried sending me down the wrong way down a oneway street. As for getting my bike licance via Direct Access the instructors at the riding school I went to worked to such a high standard it was unreal they didn't just teach you how to pass the test they went the extra mile and gave a few lessons on some of the things you would learn on an advanced riding course.