Quote:You have said there is no advantage to leaving, I still see exiting CAP and managing our subsidies as a classically obvious reason to leave. Why should UK taxpayers fund the farmers of other countries? Why isn't removing another layer of governance an advantage? I want less politicians making higher quality decisions, not loads contradicting each other on different levels.
The main point of the EU is to create one single market, open access and single standards across it’s member states.
What you want is 28 countries worth of politicians, 28 sets of standards, 28 separate markets with their own rules and tariffs.
So yes I agree with you, less politicians, more simplicity and common standards which is why I believe in the EU.
I hear what you are saying Agricola, but I think what you are confusing is the results over 30 years of neoliberal politics in the UK with the expansion of the EU. Our woes are down to poor UK governments not the EU. People are kicking the wrong ball.
You talk of nationally owned utilities for example. Successive UK governments relentlessly followed a neoliberal privatisation programme. Much of the rest of the EU continued to invest in their publicly owned infrastructure and utilities. The reality is now today our utilities are again nationally owned, only it’s the wrong nations that own and run them. That’s our fault in the UK, leaving the EU will do nothing to resolve poor governance and economics in the UK.
Quote:You mean the experts that said house prices would go down by 10%, interest rates would go up , there'd need an emergency budget , a double dip recession would happen , firms like Nissan and google would not invest and leave altogether ,unemployment would rise and Trump didn't have a cat in hells chance..... hmmm don't ya just love an expert
But we are still full members of the EU. Nothing has yet changed. But the fact is that many forgein owned firms are putting expansion and investment in the UK on hold right now, whilst many others are drawing up contingency plans to leave.
As for Nissan, they have received reassurances from the UK government. Though other economic commentators have pointed out that Nissans UK manufacturing are their best in the EU. Such is the efficiency that they could take modest tariffs in their stride.
It also raises the question of what exactly happened to our own home grown car industry. Why is Nissan Sunderland such a fantastic success when our own home grown car industry was a disaster and died a slow painful death. It’s simple – management. The Japanese know how to manage a plant and it’s workforce.
So yes we have numerous issues, yes the UK is a bit of a mess, but no leaving the EU isn’t the answer.