06-12-16, 08:25 PM
(06-12-16, 06:47 PM)VNA link Wrote:Quote:what the result would be?
It would of course be REMAIN.
Which is what pissed me off about the whole business. Here we have MP's etc telling us that the result is clear - the country has spoken. Yet it is clear that the LEAVE campaign was almost 100% pure bull shit.
You could say that this is standard practise for politics, but I’d say it sets a dangerous precedent, and we’ve kinda seen it again just recently with the US Presidential elections. Yup, it’s the ‘post truth’ era, say whatever you want to get the result you want.
Michael Gove made the seminal statement of the BREXIT campaign “we’ve had enough of the experts”
The REMAIN campaign meanwhile failed to put the positive case for the EU, instead thinking that project fear worked well in Scotland (when in fact it was a disaster), well they just rolled out the same old crap again and expected people to do as they were told. They couldn’t have got it more wrong.
Right across most of the developed world people are more and more pissed off. Our economies have been miss-managed, services have been cut, workers terms, rights, conditions and pay have been cut whilst the elite have prospered like never before.
People wanted something to kick, and the Tory party offered up the EU with DC’s dumb EU referendum. And the arrogant project fear just encouraged people to kick it hard.
But yeah what when the reality kicks in. There’s no money to be saved. It will cost billions upon billions over many years to remove ourselves from the EU, and then of course, the reality that, well, actually we really could do with free access to the biggest and most advanced single trading market in the whole world that just so happens to be on our doorstep.
Second EU referendum? Yes please!
Oh, dear what Gove actually said was "We've had enough of the 'experts' ", the political class who think you are better than you or I. Off the top of my head: Blair/Mandelson - The Iraq debacle, Major, privy council enforcer, The Kinnocks £1m/year from the EU (inc expenses), Ken Clarke (The Tobacco barons stooge), the EU benificiaries of our payments. They think they know better than us, but by-and-large they only want to feather their own nests.
As for the cost of the EU, 40% is spent on CAP. Measures show it has little or no social benefit. The whole agricultural subsidies business is out of hand, it was out of hand 2 decades ago. Also interesting to see Fillon describing the EU as 'inefficient and old fashioned'. If the EU had been willing to undergo proper top-down reform, I'd have voted to stay, but it is utterly incapable of it. Stupid practices like once monthly taking the whole parliament to Strasbourg are unjustifiably wasteful, yet one country got it's way and the rest had to fund this ridiculous process (do you like your income tax being spent on that? I bloody don't)
I totally agree that it will cost billions to divorce from the EU. That makes me angry. It makes me angry because we never got asked when Maastrict happened or when Brown signed the Lisbon treaty. Thank goodness we never joined the Eurozone.