28-08-16, 07:56 AM
OK.
fazer 600, 2001
bought it 4 months ago. couldnt ride it due to lack of licence, but had the cash (unusually) so thought fook it, spend it before its gone.
passed my test 2 weeks ago, so alls good -bikes running sweet for 3 days. Im in love. after riding a chinese 125, its like being used to greggs pasties, then being given a plate of lobster thermador on a bright day in new england.
So....
on a 40 mile run. burning hot weather, turned on to the m6, and was almost immediately stuck in the most horrendous jam- kicking myself for coming off lovely twisty national speed limit applies cheshire roads. Did two miles of very scary and probably illegal filtering, before thinking that the bike started sounding like it wasnt happy, bit of a whine, plus i was worried about the temp, although fortunately no light came on. got to manchester and the fan was kicking in several times at the lights, so cool, at least it works, didnt even know it had one, now i do. On the last few miles home, it started feeling wierd (great mechanical term, ideal for diagnosis on forums) but i put it down to the prolonged heat, and me not really knowing the bike yet.
Next day, it had a little sulk before starting, but seemed to run ok. put it down to the heat. still a niggle in the back of my mind.
changed the coolant, de ionised water 50/50 with coolant for aluminium engines. burped the hosed, re filled the resevoir.
Ran the same, no better, although i didnt expect it to.
Next day, she started to stutter a bit at low revs, setting off from junctions etc. Changing gear at around 3000rpm, a little stutter.
took it to my mate whos a car wrench monkey at the bottom of the street, to ask him if he had a carb guage, to do a bit of balancing-as suggested on this forum. he didnt. said he wasnt brilliant at working on bikes, although he has one himself. told me that it currently sounded like a misfire, when he heard it running at idle. Said change the plugs, as jap carbs dont usually need balancing if no one has been fooking about with them.
meanwhile due to it having bits of spilled coolant here and there, I take her to the jetwasher, and blast it with cold water. It now runs like stevensons rocket on a bad day. I carried wd as part of my kit, so try that. As im taking no 1 ht lead of to dowse it, the end comes off in my hand. I clip 10mm off an re screw the cap on. check all the others and they seem to at least LOOK tight. Also notice that in the spark plug recesses, its full of water, and fish tank sized grit, which i cant get out manually. It started but it still ran poorly. Took a 15 minute ride to even approach a reasonable throttle response. Not happy.
looked on the the NGK partfinder website- for a 2001 fazer it has 2 products for the 600. cr9e and cr8e. couldnt find out how to choose so went to a big bike shop in huddersfield. ebay mostly says cr9e for an fzs 600 so asked for those. The guy says, no, 8's are listed for your bike. Bought those at £27.
blasted the recesses with compressed air to get the gravel out. removed the cr9eix's -iridium tipped upgrade, and was glad i did because the looked like the had been used on the ark. Concerned that i was replacing 9's with 8's and thought that if it now runs shite, i wont be able to tell if its the old plugs causing the problem, or the new ones.
Fortunately, it starts, and its nearly like it was on day one. I ride off into the sunset vowing never to jetwash it again.
The only small crit, is again, a small hesitation pulling away. but after the last few days, i can live with it.
so......lovely sunny days, put a few hundred on the clock.
Came home from work last night, 45 min ride, over the moors. got caught in a major down pour. no problems for 10 mins, but then, it just started failing. after another 5 mins, it seemed like I had one or 2 cylinders left. if i kept the throttle at a certain place , it would pick up a bit, but if you gave it to much, it just couldnt ignite it. i could only just pull away at junctions. a combination of high revs, lots of clutch and a gradual easing off of the rain, saw me get the last 10 miles home. Didnt break down, so I thank her for that.
So shes sat outside under a gazebo. I suspect that an overnight drying will have helped, but I cant have a bike that stops when it rains.
The obvious thing seems to be to replace the ht caps, but shoud I just go ahead and replace the entire coil/lead /cap set? If its not the caps, the leads are connected permanently to the coils I believe, so it would be the whole shebang.
Ideas? Suggestions that I may have done wrong/overlooked?
Thanks in advance.
fazer 600, 2001
bought it 4 months ago. couldnt ride it due to lack of licence, but had the cash (unusually) so thought fook it, spend it before its gone.
passed my test 2 weeks ago, so alls good -bikes running sweet for 3 days. Im in love. after riding a chinese 125, its like being used to greggs pasties, then being given a plate of lobster thermador on a bright day in new england.
So....
on a 40 mile run. burning hot weather, turned on to the m6, and was almost immediately stuck in the most horrendous jam- kicking myself for coming off lovely twisty national speed limit applies cheshire roads. Did two miles of very scary and probably illegal filtering, before thinking that the bike started sounding like it wasnt happy, bit of a whine, plus i was worried about the temp, although fortunately no light came on. got to manchester and the fan was kicking in several times at the lights, so cool, at least it works, didnt even know it had one, now i do. On the last few miles home, it started feeling wierd (great mechanical term, ideal for diagnosis on forums) but i put it down to the prolonged heat, and me not really knowing the bike yet.
Next day, it had a little sulk before starting, but seemed to run ok. put it down to the heat. still a niggle in the back of my mind.
changed the coolant, de ionised water 50/50 with coolant for aluminium engines. burped the hosed, re filled the resevoir.
Ran the same, no better, although i didnt expect it to.
Next day, she started to stutter a bit at low revs, setting off from junctions etc. Changing gear at around 3000rpm, a little stutter.
took it to my mate whos a car wrench monkey at the bottom of the street, to ask him if he had a carb guage, to do a bit of balancing-as suggested on this forum. he didnt. said he wasnt brilliant at working on bikes, although he has one himself. told me that it currently sounded like a misfire, when he heard it running at idle. Said change the plugs, as jap carbs dont usually need balancing if no one has been fooking about with them.
meanwhile due to it having bits of spilled coolant here and there, I take her to the jetwasher, and blast it with cold water. It now runs like stevensons rocket on a bad day. I carried wd as part of my kit, so try that. As im taking no 1 ht lead of to dowse it, the end comes off in my hand. I clip 10mm off an re screw the cap on. check all the others and they seem to at least LOOK tight. Also notice that in the spark plug recesses, its full of water, and fish tank sized grit, which i cant get out manually. It started but it still ran poorly. Took a 15 minute ride to even approach a reasonable throttle response. Not happy.
looked on the the NGK partfinder website- for a 2001 fazer it has 2 products for the 600. cr9e and cr8e. couldnt find out how to choose so went to a big bike shop in huddersfield. ebay mostly says cr9e for an fzs 600 so asked for those. The guy says, no, 8's are listed for your bike. Bought those at £27.
blasted the recesses with compressed air to get the gravel out. removed the cr9eix's -iridium tipped upgrade, and was glad i did because the looked like the had been used on the ark. Concerned that i was replacing 9's with 8's and thought that if it now runs shite, i wont be able to tell if its the old plugs causing the problem, or the new ones.
Fortunately, it starts, and its nearly like it was on day one. I ride off into the sunset vowing never to jetwash it again.
The only small crit, is again, a small hesitation pulling away. but after the last few days, i can live with it.
so......lovely sunny days, put a few hundred on the clock.
Came home from work last night, 45 min ride, over the moors. got caught in a major down pour. no problems for 10 mins, but then, it just started failing. after another 5 mins, it seemed like I had one or 2 cylinders left. if i kept the throttle at a certain place , it would pick up a bit, but if you gave it to much, it just couldnt ignite it. i could only just pull away at junctions. a combination of high revs, lots of clutch and a gradual easing off of the rain, saw me get the last 10 miles home. Didnt break down, so I thank her for that.
So shes sat outside under a gazebo. I suspect that an overnight drying will have helped, but I cant have a bike that stops when it rains.
The obvious thing seems to be to replace the ht caps, but shoud I just go ahead and replace the entire coil/lead /cap set? If its not the caps, the leads are connected permanently to the coils I believe, so it would be the whole shebang.
Ideas? Suggestions that I may have done wrong/overlooked?
Thanks in advance.