EU in or out ?

[markie_wales]

[quote author=maddog04 link=topic=19420.msg224477#msg224477 date=1455719084]The Eu needs our trade more than we need theirs, so very quickly new agreements will be sorted out. (1)

Also you are having problems with other countries precisely because we are in the eu, once we are out we will be free to negotiate our own separate and better terms for the whole world (2)

(1) In my dads personal case that is not true. He sources everything from the UK and exports. Mine is similar but not quite as one sided. People always point to the German car sector when following your position, there are other sectors that would like us to be out to help their competitiveness. In our personal cases we need them as customers more than we need them as suppliers.

(2) not true in our case. All countries (EU or not) have difficulties trading with some nations. Being in/out of the EU is not going to change that. Unless you know a country that blocks EU trade because of the EU status as opposed to being (for example) anti the west? Trading outside the EU into the EU is more difficult than trading when inside. I know of no one who thinks differently. Agree let's not discuss Norway, they only really export oil, pretty much every thing else is import when dealing with the EU. 

I fully accept the business you are in may have a different experience,  or it may be a philosophical "out" view you have, but I am  going to vote on what's best for me and mine (including my kids futures).

There is scaremongering on BOTH  sides I dislike - and picking through the actual facts is difficult, as both sides interpret differently.

Good luck to anyone trying to predict what "out" will really look like. Both sides are making claims neither of which are FACT.

Cheers

Markie