Thought I'd try V power.

[Simon.Pieman]

It looks like the two key components in modern performance fuels are cleaning agents, and friction modifiers. The former to prevent carbon deposit build up which can reduce performance, and the latter to reduce (obviously) friction, especially between the piston rings and the walls of the cylinder. Of course whilst with wet clutch engines you wouldn't want friction modifiers in engine oil as they would reduce clutch bite, in the cylinder there are no such problems, as long as a good seal between cylinder wall and piston rings is maintained.

And of course, if you examine what Shell are prepared to tell Joe Public, you won't get much in depth technical information about the work they have put into fuel development (do you really need me to explain why this would be?!  :rolleyes ). Which of course is nothing, because as you imply, obviously quite rightly, Shell just came up with an advertising campaign that tells a pack of lies as in fact they sat on their arses and did nothing. Just re-labelled the same kinds of fuel that you used in the 80s. Of course when you raced in the 80s, you found out all the science that will ever be possible to know about engine performance and fuels, because you had the full, huge budget of a multi-national company at your disposal, who could see into the future and decide there would never be any further improvement, no matter what anyone did. In a way, it's a shame that by the 80s, everyone knew everything there would ever be to know in the field of science. This is why, presumably, you went on to win in GP racing at circuits around the world, and I would assume, you are still doing. I am suitably and humbly impressed  :lol

Here's something for you to ignore, or skim without really having any interest. Of course the bits you will carefully pick out are the marketing hype (shock, horror, there is some of that?!  :eek ) that prove what you say about "marketing nonsense such as 'longer life, cleaner engine' blah blah."

http://www.shell.co.uk/gbr/products-serv...AprN8P8HAQ

So here's an idea. Why don't you, or anyone else for that matter, take Shell to court for false advertising? You are guaranteed a win 

If you choose to reply to this, don't forget to continually bang on about octane boosting whilst ignoring any other possible components that can be added to fuel 
Be warned, I may also choose to ignore your arguments too. Fair's fair, right?  :lol


P.S. Whilst I would normally not write in this style, I am trying to adopt the tone that you set, because I think it is one that you will understand more readily.  :thumbup  Oh, and I just made up everything I said before you joined the discussion because I'm a compulsive liar. But if you wish to (obviously fruitlessly) attempt to verify any of it, contact Brett at Woodford Motorcycles and Del at Del's Motorcycles and Tyres, Cirencester. Of course all the tuning the latter does for road and track is a complete waste of time because you quite clearly know better, so there's no more to be said. What would be the point in having more than one person (yourself) with experience in this field?


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I suggest you also Google the phrase 'Straw man argument' because that sums up everything you've said above. I'm not replying to misrepresentations of what I've said, no one would.  What has all that mumbo jumbo about science and me 'winning motogp' etc got to do with anything? It just sounds like petty insult and again it's pure straw man arguement, I never made any grandiose comments about the achievements of the endurance team. I don't know if fuel technology has come on since the eighties (and neither do you), I didn't claim to know the future either.
As for 'false advertising' ask yourself this, if the 'superfuels' really made a great difference why would Shell and the others heavily advertise something that would mean you buy less of their product?
Answer:- because the benefits are not significant enough to mean you buy significantly less fuel from them, but they get more profit anyway because these fuels cost more. Shell are running a business, they are not your friend and are not trying to save you money.