Crash investigation outcomes.

[darrsi]

Darrssi you have some good points i.e. that every rider is different but i think we all have common traits when it comes to risk and taking chances......the human factor....we all have good and bad days and everyone does something eventually that they think to themselves "why did i do that"


If there was any background info such as "kev was feeling tired when he left the house that day".....or "brian thought that his new high viz jacket would mean people would see him" or "Pete wrongly thought his blue bike was fast"  :b [size=78%]type stuff then that would be useful for learning the easy traps not to fall into.....especially for new riders who haven't built up their skills yet.[/size]


Also handy would be stuff like "steve was with a bunch of mates much faster than him and he was out of his comfort zone trying to keep up".....or "dave was sticking his leg out to indicate to his mates that the road ahead was clear.....but this time his leg was out because of bad cramp & there was a camper van coming the other way"....ok a little far fetched but theres just thousands of combinations of things that can go wrong.


I agree that every rider starts off on a different level.......in the H&S world then this would be similar to the inherent risk...also similar is that the basic act of riding a motorbike is inherently dangerous even if you apply every piece of safety kit, training & mind set.......you cant eliminate this risk......unless you just don't go out...but the rest you can diminish with the correct knowledge....much of this knowledge we arent born with.....we learn it from others...from forums...& training....but i just think that these reports would be another medium to learn from.


1 reported accident i think was from the start of this season in Wales where there were 2 groups of bikes that happened to be going opposite directions on some bad bends & there was a car involved which it looks like 1 group was passing before it met the other group...a bloke died & the rest were scattered around the place......it really intrigued me & i want to know the particulars of exactly what went wrong instead of guessing.....but looking on google brings up nothing except the original news story in the local paper.


Is there an official office that i could get a hold of because I'm seriously considering getting in touch & putting forward some suggestions.......perhaps MAG would know but i'm not really interested in joining them but perhaps they could advise none the less.

The only thing is Noggy, is that when insurance is involved, the background info you've suggested would never really get mentioned.
People will naturally bend the truth to work in their favour as well.


Can you imagine a written report that informed your insurance firm you felt really tired when you got on your bike the day you had an accident?
They'd make mincemeat out of you.
Nobody in their right mind would incriminate themselves in that way so i can't really imagine you would ever see that in a report, unless it was a fatal incident and forensics have given their own opinion of events after summing up the evidence presented to them.
A lot of the time the only people who will ever know what really happened in an incident will be the people involved, and i'd guess it's quite rare these days for anyone to hold their hands up and admit total blame, because you can hire a shameless lawyer to try and get you out of it.


Also, a persons frame of mind or even general personality can affect the way you ride on any given day as well, regardless of skill or experience.
If you've just had a bereavement in the family, or you're on the way home from losing your job, or you are simply an aggressive/angry road rage type rider then that all boils down to individuality again.


I was about to mention what you said about us all doing something daft, or taken that bit of risk a tad too far, then in hindsight thought "What an idiot, why did i do that?" but as we all know it won't be the last time either.