23-11-12, 08:35 PM
(23-11-12, 01:07 PM)Robbie8666 link Wrote: [quote author=Grahamm link=topic=5374.msg46890#msg46890 date=1353671181]
*ALL* Rights??
You mean they should lose the Right to life, the Right not to be tortured, the Right not to be forced into slavery...?
ok maybe i should have been more carefull with my choice of words however I do believe there are some crimes that should lose the right of life! [/quote]
I don't. This is simply legal murder. "You've killed someone? Ok, we'll kill you to balancee the books." Doesn't work, has never worked in the past, won't work in the future.
Quote:the right not to be forced into slavery.. what classes as slavery? doing a job for no pay
ie do you mean forced labour or chain gangs? or the conditions you are kept & live in?
One definition of slavery is if you are required to work and not permitted to withdraw your labour.
Quote:if someone is convicted beyond all doubt that they are guilty of crimes such as Sutcliffe, Brady, Hindley, West & Bronson then why should they not be given the death penalty. they should never be allowed to be released from prison! so why have the expense of keeping them?
What value do you put on a human life? *ANY* life? Does the value of one person's life diminish because they've done something others don't like?
Anyway, this is getting way off the topic, so I'm going to leave it here.
Getting back to the subject of votes for prisoners, the real question why should they not have the right to vote?
Is them having the vote going to have such a massive effect on society that they have to be denied that right to stop the election being skewed? Well, no.
What benefit is there to society of them losing their right to vote? Is someone who is about to commit a crime going to suddenly think "Wow, hang on, I'd better not do that otherwise I won't be able to vote"? I doubt it.
What about people who are doing Community Service or other such things? Should they still have the right to vote even though they're convicted criminals? Or is it only people who are locked up? If it's only people who are locked up, should it be *all* those who are locked up or only those in Class A prisons? Or perhaps those only serving a certain length of sentence (arbitrarily decided)?
This is really nothing more than Political Grandstanding designed to appeal to Middle England, rather than to actually do any real good.