20-08-12, 03:41 PM
VNA I haven’t read your latest post. I omitted to read it not because I think you have nothing to say, but for the sake of other forum members I don’t wish to perpetuate this discussion ad nauseum. Had I read your post I would once again feel compelled to answer it.
Regardless of several time consuming posts on both our parts no doubt our individual opinions remain as before. I must say that I struggled with the contradictions within your points of view, but such is the complexity of the subject matter I suppose. Some of the points I struggled with was you outlook on diversity. If I understand correctly your position is that diversity, inclusion, and multiculturalism is a good thing. We must all learn from each other’s points of view you say, unless you happen to be one of the Four Million 275,000 Britons that read a certain daily newspaper wherein you become a person with a tainted view that has no validity. Had that readership been an ethnic minority you would no doubt be scandalised by such a suggestion?
You speak of having to work together to achieve cohesion but want for yourself a separate Scotland? You rail against imperialism but look forward to the Commonwealth games – itself a legacy of imperialism. You appear to be aware of the dangers of globalism, which you quite rightly label the ‘New Imperialism’ yet fail to understand that you are engaged in its work. I ask for unity of purpose, you ask to celebrate diversity. The figures on Immigration show only legal Immigrants, there are in addition an estimated 1,000,000 illegal immigrants and rising. I sincerely doubt they are all hiding in Scotland, which means the rest of us carry the additional burden you appear not to see, and which in turn explains our concern.
The maxim ‘Divide and conquer’ is usually attributed to Julius Ceasar , but it holds true as a political maxim throughout the ages. In the trade union movement Unity is strength, therefore to subjugate a people one first needs to create division. With reference the EU you noted that we are ‘too diverse to unite’, more so as a nation with the addition of many additional cultures and factions - that way lies sectarianism.
In politics they have a trick which they refer to as the Cause-effect-solution ploy. You have seen it used recently with the Blair Iraq war. A Weapons of mass destruction lie leads to Invasion of Iraq = Cause. Mass immigration/ terrorist attacks follow on UK soil = Effect. Tighten up security, greater loss of personal liberties ensues, increased powers of government snooping and surveillance = offered as a Solution.Had the government proposed those increased draconian measures of detention, snooping, and surveillance without step 1 and 2 the public would not have accepted them, but instigate step 1 and 2 and the public feel that such measures in step 3 are necessary and freely give away yet more of their liberty.
http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/roger-hayes-arrested-tried-secret-court-imprisoned
http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/update-a...oger-hayes
[/size]You commented to the effect that the day civil disobedience results in imprisonment will be the day that democracy dies. Above are links (hope they work) I provide to show that is exactly what is happening in Britain and more so in the EU where scientific writers and historians are being imprisoned for ‘questioning’ the official line. For merely asking to see the supporting evidence of an official claim they are imprisoned. An Orwellian prelude of things to come, or perhaps no matter as they may be daily Mail readers?I’ll end by saying that having re-read my last comment about people not caring about the Commonwealth games due to it being in Scotland I noted that it didn’t come across in the way it was intended, but having posted there is no edit function. I actually meant that the desirability of watching a sporting event in Scotland (due to oft inclement weather) wasn’t something that would fill me with joy, it was not meant to sound as a slur so my apologies if it came across that way.Slaninar - the cure is not beer - Just find a good looking woman in the first place! [color=rgb(21, 41, 51)]. [/color] :lol [color=rgb(21, 41, 51)][/size] [/color]
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Regardless of several time consuming posts on both our parts no doubt our individual opinions remain as before. I must say that I struggled with the contradictions within your points of view, but such is the complexity of the subject matter I suppose. Some of the points I struggled with was you outlook on diversity. If I understand correctly your position is that diversity, inclusion, and multiculturalism is a good thing. We must all learn from each other’s points of view you say, unless you happen to be one of the Four Million 275,000 Britons that read a certain daily newspaper wherein you become a person with a tainted view that has no validity. Had that readership been an ethnic minority you would no doubt be scandalised by such a suggestion?
You speak of having to work together to achieve cohesion but want for yourself a separate Scotland? You rail against imperialism but look forward to the Commonwealth games – itself a legacy of imperialism. You appear to be aware of the dangers of globalism, which you quite rightly label the ‘New Imperialism’ yet fail to understand that you are engaged in its work. I ask for unity of purpose, you ask to celebrate diversity. The figures on Immigration show only legal Immigrants, there are in addition an estimated 1,000,000 illegal immigrants and rising. I sincerely doubt they are all hiding in Scotland, which means the rest of us carry the additional burden you appear not to see, and which in turn explains our concern.
The maxim ‘Divide and conquer’ is usually attributed to Julius Ceasar , but it holds true as a political maxim throughout the ages. In the trade union movement Unity is strength, therefore to subjugate a people one first needs to create division. With reference the EU you noted that we are ‘too diverse to unite’, more so as a nation with the addition of many additional cultures and factions - that way lies sectarianism.
In politics they have a trick which they refer to as the Cause-effect-solution ploy. You have seen it used recently with the Blair Iraq war. A Weapons of mass destruction lie leads to Invasion of Iraq = Cause. Mass immigration/ terrorist attacks follow on UK soil = Effect. Tighten up security, greater loss of personal liberties ensues, increased powers of government snooping and surveillance = offered as a Solution.Had the government proposed those increased draconian measures of detention, snooping, and surveillance without step 1 and 2 the public would not have accepted them, but instigate step 1 and 2 and the public feel that such measures in step 3 are necessary and freely give away yet more of their liberty.
http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/roger-hayes-arrested-tried-secret-court-imprisoned
http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/update-a...oger-hayes
[/size]You commented to the effect that the day civil disobedience results in imprisonment will be the day that democracy dies. Above are links (hope they work) I provide to show that is exactly what is happening in Britain and more so in the EU where scientific writers and historians are being imprisoned for ‘questioning’ the official line. For merely asking to see the supporting evidence of an official claim they are imprisoned. An Orwellian prelude of things to come, or perhaps no matter as they may be daily Mail readers?I’ll end by saying that having re-read my last comment about people not caring about the Commonwealth games due to it being in Scotland I noted that it didn’t come across in the way it was intended, but having posted there is no edit function. I actually meant that the desirability of watching a sporting event in Scotland (due to oft inclement weather) wasn’t something that would fill me with joy, it was not meant to sound as a slur so my apologies if it came across that way.Slaninar - the cure is not beer - Just find a good looking woman in the first place! [color=rgb(21, 41, 51)]. [/color] :lol [color=rgb(21, 41, 51)][/size] [/color]
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