18-08-12, 08:52 PM
Slaninar I agree with you. The ills you describe are due to globalisation who's aim is the destruction of the nation state - which is what the EU is all about. This is why we must be free of it, despite VNA's protestations that it can't happen.
English law need not be applicable in Scotland, furthermore should Scotland become independent it will become irrelevant in this equation. Which is why I too hope for independence, a nice little side effect.
The thrust of your argument appears to be that Scotland labours under an unelected government? And presumably you think this unfair and wish to break free from the union?
I'll link this to the point above. Many feel that England, or Britain if you include the other parties are also ruled by a government it didn't vote for - namely the EU. The sham puppet parade in Westminster no longer make the majority of our laws, thus cannot be considered to be representative of the people.
Just as Scotland wants independence from the UK, the remaining parties want independence from the EU. The 'They' you inquire about are therefore the EU mandarins who follow the globalist agenda. What it is they wish to remove is our Sovereignty, the right to be governed by and of ourselves. As I said, the Magna Carta guarantees personal sovereignty in perpetuity, something that was done by our forefathers who had the foresight to understand that now and again tyrants will attempt to remove our freedoms.
Indeed it was, and as you say it wasn't difficult to see it coming, yet no notice was taken of those that could see it coming. The same was true of mass immigration. Living in Britain in recent years has been akin to travelling on a coach which was intended for Blackpool, yet the driver decides all on his own that against the protestations of the passengers he'll take us to Bradford instead. When asked why he defied the will of the passengers the driver retorts;
"I don't think people want Blackpool so I'm not going to take you there, despite what it said on the front of the bus!"
Put succinctly, we saw the problems that mass immigration was causing but were ignored and smeared as racist. (Scotland absorbed only a tiny fraction of total immigration by the way - hardly affected in relative terms) We predicted that an economy built on borrowing was unsustainable but were dismissed as fools by the 'Iron Chancellor'. We now see the EU as a money pit and looming disaster and wish to leave, and are told we cannot by a chap that wants independence for Scotland for much the same reasons. Go figure!
(18-08-12, 07:19 PM)VNA link Wrote:
As I've pointed out, it is not going to happen.
Oh, English law is not applicable in Scotland. And maybe just maybe you have grasped that England can't hold an in/out EU referendum?
English law need not be applicable in Scotland, furthermore should Scotland become independent it will become irrelevant in this equation. Which is why I too hope for independence, a nice little side effect.
(18-08-12, 07:19 PM)VNA link Wrote: Firstly it's not about some mad rose tinted nationalism, it's about politics. Scotland once again has a UK government it did not vote for. We had 17 years years of Tory rule not that long ago that we did not vote for, and here we are again.
The thrust of your argument appears to be that Scotland labours under an unelected government? And presumably you think this unfair and wish to break free from the union?
(18-08-12, 07:19 PM)VNA link Wrote:
I still don't know what you are on about. What is it that you think 'they' are trying to take away from you, though you claim, whatever it is, they can't take it away anyway. How very interesting!
I'll link this to the point above. Many feel that England, or Britain if you include the other parties are also ruled by a government it didn't vote for - namely the EU. The sham puppet parade in Westminster no longer make the majority of our laws, thus cannot be considered to be representative of the people.
Just as Scotland wants independence from the UK, the remaining parties want independence from the EU. The 'They' you inquire about are therefore the EU mandarins who follow the globalist agenda. What it is they wish to remove is our Sovereignty, the right to be governed by and of ourselves. As I said, the Magna Carta guarantees personal sovereignty in perpetuity, something that was done by our forefathers who had the foresight to understand that now and again tyrants will attempt to remove our freedoms.
(18-08-12, 07:19 PM)VNA link Wrote:Well yeah. It wasn't difficult to see it coming. Brown's miracle economy was no miracle, it was built on rising asset prices and credit
Indeed it was, and as you say it wasn't difficult to see it coming, yet no notice was taken of those that could see it coming. The same was true of mass immigration. Living in Britain in recent years has been akin to travelling on a coach which was intended for Blackpool, yet the driver decides all on his own that against the protestations of the passengers he'll take us to Bradford instead. When asked why he defied the will of the passengers the driver retorts;
"I don't think people want Blackpool so I'm not going to take you there, despite what it said on the front of the bus!"
Put succinctly, we saw the problems that mass immigration was causing but were ignored and smeared as racist. (Scotland absorbed only a tiny fraction of total immigration by the way - hardly affected in relative terms) We predicted that an economy built on borrowing was unsustainable but were dismissed as fools by the 'Iron Chancellor'. We now see the EU as a money pit and looming disaster and wish to leave, and are told we cannot by a chap that wants independence for Scotland for much the same reasons. Go figure!