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The Euro Crisis Explained...
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(10-06-12, 01:51 PM)VNA link Wrote:

Recent surveys have shown that people are concerned about global warming and their environment. 


Surveys are like statistics, they can be used selectively to give a false representation of the facts and are consequently unreliable as an indicator of public mood. 

(10-06-12, 01:51 PM)VNA link Wrote: Of course we are.  And if individuals, groups or organisations want to have a say, our democracy allows them to have a voice if they choose to do so.  Democracy is not just for polling day, and nor can it be run on referendum on every issue.  You elect and/or lobby. 
 

A referendum on every issue is not what people expect. They do however, expect one on questions of fundamental life changing issues. Once an in/out referendum is put to the people of Britain we will indeed see democracy in action, until then our views are being held in contempt.
(10-06-12, 01:51 PM)VNA link Wrote: I doesn't matter whether you agree or not, if you want open access you have to comply with the rules.


This describes exactly the EU ethos. 'It doesn't matter what you may think, this is the way you will do it - or there will be implications for you'.  It's like something from a bad gangster movie.

(10-06-12, 01:51 PM)VNA link Wrote: Yes at times it's nuts.  Europe needs to get leaner and smarter, but to suggest it's totalitarian state is just being silly.


There are several parallels. How else does one describe a system whereby a sovereign country's laws are thought up and dictated from elsewhere, laws that are enforced rigidly, and by persons unelected by that nation state?  Napoleon wanted a united Europe, Hitler did too, yet we fought them both - why?


(10-06-12, 01:51 PM)VNA link Wrote: Put it this way, the UK is trying to re-build it's manufacturing base (it's finally noticed how Germany rides out all economic storms), but if we pull out of Europe (our biggest customer), well maybe we'll find ourselves playing the Japanese game and moving our factories inside Europe to access the market.  That's how stupid leaving the EU would be.


If Europeans want our services or goods then they will engage them. If the EU decide to put trade restrictions on us for being outside of it then we must look for other markets to replace them. There needn't be this fixation on Europe being our lifeline, and Blackmail is never an attractive method of doing business. If Britain is rebuilding its manufacturing base then it must compete with cheap labour from abroad, therefore we would be better served to restrict European imports by way of retaliation and provide the goods required for ourselves as we once did.

(10-06-12, 01:51 PM)VNA link Wrote: So we didn't elect Thatcher, we didn't vote for a Labour party dressed in Tory clothes.  The people get the government they deserve.

Indeed we did. The fundamental difference is that we were then able to kick them out for failure, an option presented to us each five years. Not so with the EU. Doesn't it bother you that the EU has never once in all its existence had its books signed off? Not once! There are sums of public money ranging into the billions that simply go missing each year, yet no one appears remotely concerned nor has the political will to find out where it went.  The whole edifice is arrogant, corrupt, and anti democratic, and the sooner we see the back of it the better.
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The Euro Crisis Explained... - by Phil TK - 07-06-12, 01:00 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by Dave48 - 07-06-12, 01:06 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by dolau - 07-06-12, 08:56 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by VNA - 07-06-12, 10:07 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by Slaninar - 07-06-12, 10:20 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by VNA - 08-06-12, 06:06 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by Slaninar - 08-06-12, 07:00 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by dx408 - 08-06-12, 08:00 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by Rusty - 09-06-12, 10:53 AM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by VNA - 09-06-12, 07:45 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by Rusty - 09-06-12, 09:40 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by VNA - 10-06-12, 12:19 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by Rusty - 10-06-12, 12:59 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by VNA - 10-06-12, 01:51 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by fazed600 - 10-06-12, 03:21 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by VNA - 10-06-12, 03:21 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by Rusty - 10-06-12, 04:27 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by Slaninar - 10-06-12, 05:30 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by Rusty - 10-06-12, 07:30 PM
Re: The Euro Crisis Explained... - by VNA - 10-06-12, 07:39 PM

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