10-06-12, 12:19 PM
Of course we can survive and trade outside of Europe. But it will have an impact on us, particularly in the middle of a recession and with Europe being our biggest market.
Greece may exit the Euro but it will stay in the EU. In the long term it may well be best for Greece to exit. But in the short term it's a nightmare. And of course even right now everybody who can is moving their cash out of Greece. How would you fancy any savings you might have being devalued by 80 or 90% overnight? And the real fear, is it's a step into the unknown, nobody yet seems to be able to predict what will happen across Europe, and the world, when one country defaults and pulls out of the Euro experiment.
I'm a nationalist, I want Scottish Independence within the EU, I have no interest federalism, and while there are those politicians within the EU who dream of it, there isn't one country in the EU that would ever accept such a concept.
Europe can't set global emission targets, but yes lowering emissions, energy conservation and a Euro energy grid are important steps towards a cleaner Europe, and again underlines the importance of the EU. Working and H&S directives are all part of protecting ordinary people and creating a level playing field and common standards, you can't have an open market without this stuff.
And of course all this saves money. Just take CE standards for example. Once upon a time a manufacturer had to make various different versions of one product to satisfy each market. And of course choose which markets they would operate in. Now it's one standard for Europe, one big market, and only one model to make for that single big market. Those are big savings, and savings that generate economic activity and growth. Just a shame we ran down our manufacturing capability!
Which of course we can blame Europe all we like for our woes, but the truth is it's 30 years of economic miss-management that's the root cause of our current situation.
Quote:The real fear of the EU is that Greece will depart only to recover, setting an example to Spain, Portugal and others.
Greece may exit the Euro but it will stay in the EU. In the long term it may well be best for Greece to exit. But in the short term it's a nightmare. And of course even right now everybody who can is moving their cash out of Greece. How would you fancy any savings you might have being devalued by 80 or 90% overnight? And the real fear, is it's a step into the unknown, nobody yet seems to be able to predict what will happen across Europe, and the world, when one country defaults and pulls out of the Euro experiment.
Quote:The EU is a ruinous waste of money, and the myth of us living on the edge of Europe should we leave is a lie propagated by those that have an interest in federalism.
I'm a nationalist, I want Scottish Independence within the EU, I have no interest federalism, and while there are those politicians within the EU who dream of it, there isn't one country in the EU that would ever accept such a concept.
Quote:We can trade freely with Europe without being hamstrung by global emission targets, work directives, health and safety initiatives, and other such claptrap.No you can't.
Europe can't set global emission targets, but yes lowering emissions, energy conservation and a Euro energy grid are important steps towards a cleaner Europe, and again underlines the importance of the EU. Working and H&S directives are all part of protecting ordinary people and creating a level playing field and common standards, you can't have an open market without this stuff.
And of course all this saves money. Just take CE standards for example. Once upon a time a manufacturer had to make various different versions of one product to satisfy each market. And of course choose which markets they would operate in. Now it's one standard for Europe, one big market, and only one model to make for that single big market. Those are big savings, and savings that generate economic activity and growth. Just a shame we ran down our manufacturing capability!
Which of course we can blame Europe all we like for our woes, but the truth is it's 30 years of economic miss-management that's the root cause of our current situation.