06-02-12, 08:34 AM
I reiterate my above point ...the tactic is working - almost all on here are working class folk, and we are fighting amongst ourselves. Meanwhile the big picture gets foggy..
its not just bonuses either- I would not mind so much, but these bonuses are paid with little regard to performance and benefit to the nation. We should be asking what we want from our government.The present one is too partisan, too much pre- occupied with its years old doctrine and plan. I dont see how we can reduce the welfare state just by cutting the figures. We all know we have to spend less, but a caring government would be looking at best ways to do this, not just cut spending. Thats the easy bit.Our society has developed to where we are now over decades , its no simple thing to change it.
To me, as someone who has never claimed benefit, I still want a welfare system there to act as a safety net and a springboard back into work again. I dont see these reforms do help, cos just what is being done to get folk back into work, if there aint any jobs to go to ?
As for the % of the population who scrounge...well thats always been there...its just Tory bull to try to convince low intelligence people its some sort of recent phenomenon..You really need to ask yourself just why we have 3 million unemployed...listen...it is not because the benefit system is too generous !
As a construction worker I also feel the generalisations about my trade are ridiculous...its absurd tbh. Work is very hard to come by, and to judge our industry by the performance of firms like EDF is daft.There also is no regulation to stop anyone setting up as a builder, so with 3 million unemployed, is anyone surprised by an alarming rise in cowboys.?
Lastly , with regard to education, I cant recall a time when " everybody" exited school with qualifications, and indeed there were still people back then who struggled to read and write. You cant just blame parents for this either, its mostly down to the individual...if they have learning difficulties...its not because parents didnt try. Its yet another stupid generalisation.I will say that in my day there were better facilities for what we called " remedial" classes, whereas today the schools are only bothered with league tables, not trying equally for all pupils.what is different is today there is less discipline, and modern media is very good at disrupting attempts to do so... so many distracting things on offer today.
its not just bonuses either- I would not mind so much, but these bonuses are paid with little regard to performance and benefit to the nation. We should be asking what we want from our government.The present one is too partisan, too much pre- occupied with its years old doctrine and plan. I dont see how we can reduce the welfare state just by cutting the figures. We all know we have to spend less, but a caring government would be looking at best ways to do this, not just cut spending. Thats the easy bit.Our society has developed to where we are now over decades , its no simple thing to change it.
To me, as someone who has never claimed benefit, I still want a welfare system there to act as a safety net and a springboard back into work again. I dont see these reforms do help, cos just what is being done to get folk back into work, if there aint any jobs to go to ?
As for the % of the population who scrounge...well thats always been there...its just Tory bull to try to convince low intelligence people its some sort of recent phenomenon..You really need to ask yourself just why we have 3 million unemployed...listen...it is not because the benefit system is too generous !
As a construction worker I also feel the generalisations about my trade are ridiculous...its absurd tbh. Work is very hard to come by, and to judge our industry by the performance of firms like EDF is daft.There also is no regulation to stop anyone setting up as a builder, so with 3 million unemployed, is anyone surprised by an alarming rise in cowboys.?
Lastly , with regard to education, I cant recall a time when " everybody" exited school with qualifications, and indeed there were still people back then who struggled to read and write. You cant just blame parents for this either, its mostly down to the individual...if they have learning difficulties...its not because parents didnt try. Its yet another stupid generalisation.I will say that in my day there were better facilities for what we called " remedial" classes, whereas today the schools are only bothered with league tables, not trying equally for all pupils.what is different is today there is less discipline, and modern media is very good at disrupting attempts to do so... so many distracting things on offer today.