Electric vehicles vs Internal Combustion...

[fazersharp]

[quote author=mtread link=topic=26750.msg323643#msg323643 date=1614871116]
As to smart meters allowing them to vary prices during peaks, again we've had that for years. It's called Economy 7. And it makes sense. Most electricity generation is 24/7 such as wind, hydro and nuclear. So when demand drops, daytime industry stops using it, we turn off our electric kettles and TVs, it makes sense to encourage off peak usage by lowering prices.

In France they have a system that will be bought in over here at some point relating to the Red White and Blue days. On certain days through the year you are charged a higher rate (red days) or a lower rate (blue days) than your normal rates. They also have an equivalent of Economy 7 for overnight cheap rate too. With their equivalent of the smart meter (The Linky meter) it enables them to bill you for exactly what you have used during the cheap rate (or Read/White/Blue days).
Red/White/Blue is used to enchorage you to use less when they know demand will be high. For example, on days they expect high demand from industry meaning less power is available on the grid for consumers or when consumer demand will be higher. They also have the red days on different days of the year in different areas depending on demand.
[/quote]Well that cleared it up  :rollin

[agricola]

[quote author=mtread link=topic=26750.msg323643#msg323643 date=1614871116]

As to smart meters allowing them to vary prices during peaks, again we've had that for years. It's called Economy 7.

That is fixed 7 hours at night on your tariff. I am talking instant and variable hiking the price up at any time. Sharp Hall used to be on economy 7 but you pay a far higher standing charge than a normal 24 hour rate. Was alright for a while but didnt pay off in the end as they krept the standing charge up. 

[size=0.7em]Agreed[/size]. We took my mother in law off E7 for the same reason. Heads you win, tails you lose.[/quote]

[agricola]

Brown outs or black outs are part of the reason for rolling out smart meters because with them they can cut power to single streets at a time

They can do that already. It's called Powergen digging up the road 


As to smart meters allowing them to vary prices during peaks, again we've had that for years. It's called Economy 7. And it makes sense. Most electricity generation is 24/7 such as wind, hydro and nuclear. So when demand drops, daytime industry stops using it, we turn off our electric kettles and TVs, it makes sense to encourage off peak usage by lowering prices.

Wind? 24/7? What planet are you on? Our local coal fired has to fire up when the wind drops, and has done regularly this year

[agricola]

We're always going to nedd alternatives to wind/sun. Another winter like 63 would result in huge blackouts. Another summer like 76 huge water shortages. Private companies will not build in any over capacity for such events

[fazersharp]

[quote author=mtread link=topic=26750.msg323643#msg323643 date=1614871116]

Brown outs or black outs are part of the reason for rolling out smart meters because with them they can cut power to single streets at a time

They can do that already. It's called Powergen digging up the road 


As to smart meters allowing them to vary prices during peaks, again we've had that for years. It's called Economy 7. And it makes sense. Most electricity generation is 24/7 such as wind, hydro and nuclear. So when demand drops, daytime industry stops using it, we turn off our electric kettles and TVs, it makes sense to encourage off peak usage by lowering prices.

Wind? 24/7? What planet are you on? Our local coal fired has to fire up when the wind drops, and has done regularly this year
[/quote]This was all over the news last June

The total coal-free period lasted 67 days, 22 hours and 55 minutes, and ended on Tuesday night when the Drax power station in north Yorkshire brought one of its coal units online for maintenance, during which time it added some power to the national grid.

[mtread]

Wind? 24/7? What planet are you on? Our local coal fired has to fire up when the wind drops, and has done regularly this year

It's always windy somewhere, and of it's not it's probably sunny or raining. Nuclear is 24/7, and you daren't turn it off  :look


My son is on Economy 7. He uses electricity for heating and it works for him if you shop around for the right deal. It's a no brainer if you are charging an electric vehicle overnight (back on subject).
Anyway, the point being made is that Smart meters varying price is just a more sophisticated version of Economy 7. The principle of variable charging isn't new.

[Grahamm]

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[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26750.msg323618#msg323618 date=1614797870]
Brown outs or black outs are part of the reason for rolling out smart meters because with them they can cut power to single streets at a time

Do you actually have any citatations of examples of this having happened?
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The technology can do it - I am not aware it has been used yet but the capability is there should the need arise.
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Neither am I, but the implication seems that it has or that there have already been "brownouts" or "blackouts" due to lack of capacity, which, absent any evidence to the contrary, does not appear to be the case.

[Grahamm]

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[Gaz66]

It'll never happen
Fukwits can't even get a grip on this so called new HST train line, billions spent & achieving nowt.
Same applies to the claim to faze out Internal combustion engines.
Infrastructure is decades away to support it for starters, power stations are decades away at supplying the demand.
Hybrids self charging vehicles are the only way forward for the next few decades, till the above gets sorted it's never happening as they claim, basically all bollox.
I also see they don't tell Joe public how much pollutants are created to build just 1 electric vehicle, it's way more than the pollution created by running 1 modern vehicle for 10yrs.


We've all got an opinion.
[size=78%]I work for Honda, who are one of the leaders in Hybrid / self charging technology & privy to the facts stated above ... [/size] :thumbup

[mtread]

I do agree switchable hybrid should be the way to go until all electric is solved. Perhaps with a rule that you must switch to electric in designated areas.

[Grahamm]

I also see they don't tell Joe public how much pollutants are created to build just 1 electric vehicle, it's way more than the pollution created by running 1 modern vehicle for 10yrs.

I'll guess that you didn't watch the video in the OP...

[b1k3rdude]

• Here's a live (no pun intended) status report: https://grid.iamkate.com/
  
• Please can you provide some details of these brownouts?
  

• I have emailed the data source requesting current NG capacity, as the data only shows whats been generated.
  
• I will have to email my local supplier for this info.
  

[fazersharp]

I have just come across a new tactic to get people to have an evil smart meter. I have about 6 letters asking me to make an appointment but have now received a letter saying that an appointment has been booked and some one will be coming on x date between 12. 00 and 16.00. But it does say call to confirm it or book a different date or time.
Definitely a new tactic. 
If they step foot in Sharp Halls grounds I will give them a 3 minute head start to reach the gate house at the end of Sharp Halls 2 mile drive before I release the hounds  :lol   

[Streetbudgie]

I have just come across a new tactic to get people to have an evil smart meter. 

Why are smart meters evil?

I had a complex meter arrangement which I wanted rid of so I had to change to a smart meter and as I have a dual fuel suppler I got both gas and elecetric smart meters.

Seems to make sense to me, now I don't have any problems supplying meter readings which were always a pain with the complex (day and night) meter I had previously.

[fazersharp]

see my post number 13.
A little more on the data collection. By analysing the power used and when its used it can be worked out if you work, what time you get up, leave the house, when you get back, how many live in the house,how many females, the age of people in the house, your cooking habits. All valuable data to be sold to advertisers
And you don't  "Have" to have one when changing provider. Telling people they do is more sneaky decitful behaviour to get people to have them, more reason not to have one.

[fazersharp]

Heres another thing. I don't know what morons they are using to install the gas ones. I don't think that they are normal gas engineers but just people trained up to fit them.
A Part of the gas one being fitted is that they check, perhaps just visually ‐ other gas equipment in your property.
A mate of mine had a gas one and the chap that fitted it "checked" the gas cooker and condemned it on the basis that it did not have an anti tip bracket fitted to the bottom of the cooker. It had the required chain fitted to the top perfectly  correctly. They then had to pay for their regular gas engineer to come out to check and undo the condem.
These people fitting them are idiots.

[agricola]

Heres another thing. I don't know what morons they are using to install the gas ones. I don't think that they are normal gas engineers but just people trained up to fit them.
A Part of the gas one being fitted is that they check, perhaps just visually ‐ other gas equipment in your property.
A mate of mine had a gas one and the chap that fitted it "checked" the gas cooker and condemned it on the basis that it did not have an anti tip bracket fitted to the bottom of the cooker. It had the required chain fitted to the top perfectly  correctly. They then had to pay for their regular gas engineer to come out to check and undo the condem.
These people fitting them are idiots.

Quite likely. When we moved into our present abode, we had a new electricity meter installed. The chap that fitted it was an old work mate, he was previously a fitters mate at the old iron and steel works. Turns out he re-trained soley to go around fitting meters. When he turned up at our door, I thought it was social visit. Then he told me he had come to fit the meter, I had flashbacks to him swinging a 14lb hammer knocking 2" whitworth bolts in  :lol

[YamFazFan]

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[mtread]

These people fitting them are idiots.

A lot of the smaller suppliers use Lowri Beck to carry out contractor work.
From personal experience, I'd advise against letting them anywhere near your electricity supply.

[Grahamm]

Electric mini-digger review. 54 seconds. Funny :lol .

What the *hell* is the point of using an electrical digger on a site that doesn't have a connection to the mains??

They might as well complain that it ran out of petrol because there wasn't a filling station nearby...