The Covid thread

[mtread]

Germany and France started it cause they are unhappy its a British success and they get their noses rubbed in it by just having the name Oxford

With Germany's death rate less than half that of the UK, I don't think they need any lessons from us  :rolleyes

[agricola]

BoJo ordered 340 million vaccines (about three times as many as we'd need!)

If he starts flogging them off before everyone gets a second jab, he's going to have a lot of *very* pissed off people asking questions.

Perhaps the govt foresees that we'll need an annual top up to keep on top of mutations

[agricola]

We could give them to the EU -----but France and Germany don't want the Ox AZ  France has been saying the BRITISH vax basically does not work in over 65s and so wont give it out.NEWS JUST IN TODAYFrance has now changed its mind based on "encouraging" preliminary results of a large-scale study on the impact of the vaccine on COVID-19 hospitalizations among the Scottish population.THE SCOTTISH population !! France couldn't bring themselves to say British. But instead stroking crooked krankies bonnet to keep her purring and wanting to leave the UK and join the EU.

You seem to be straying into politics here tsk tsk :fish


Anyway, just to correct you, France and Germany (and others) didn't say 'it didn't work'. They said the data was incomplete. Now perhaps the Scottish data is complete. As for Britain, Johnson can't even keep data on how many children he has, let alone count effective vaccine doses.
:oops  I seem to have strayed into politics too. mash

Nope, thats not politics, thats personal top

[mtread]

Nope, thats not politics, thats personal

Not sure where, but I'll take your word for it.

[fazersharp]

Nope, thats not politics, thats personal

Not sure where, but I'll take your word for it.

Talking about how many children borris has got. What's the relevance to a debate about anything covid.

[mtread]

Neither has referring to the Scottish First Minister as 'crooked krankie'. So let's call it a draw  :lol

[fazersharp]

Mtread. Have you had your vax yet.

[mtread]

Yep. First dose.


Waiting for the funny.... 

[fazersharp]

Yep. First dose.


Waiting for the funny.... 

No funny.

MY mate who had a bad time after receiving the first are not looking forward to the second.

Starting to think what's the point in carrying on vaxing ever younger and younger who statistically don't get hospitalised. Just stop at 60 as an age but then carry on with all the (any age) vulnerable and people in jobs that have a lot of public contact. And then anyone else who wants it. Otherwise
I think that before all the first jabbers have had the second we will be facing a new more nasty variant that the current jabs wont touch. So what then - skip the second jab and have the new jab instead that is designed for the new strain. 

[mtread]

Three of us have had the first dose of AstraZeneca. Wife and daughter (care worker) had a bad 24 hours afterwards, both taken to bed with headaches and shivers. Me, nothing at all. Perhaps I'm the one who should be worried!


I think you may be right. With so many natural mutations, the existing vaccines will not be guaranteed effective, and we will all be chasing new vaccine versions for some time.

[fazersharp]

Three of us have had the first dose of AstraZeneca. Wife and daughter (care worker) had a bad 24 hours afterwards, both taken to bed with headaches and shivers. Me, nothing at all. Perhaps I'm the one who should be worried!

Well yes that was my observation a few post ago when doctors and scientists were playing down any side effects they said that (from memory) "you want side effects because that shows that your imune system is doing its job and mounting a response" 

So by that rationale - no side effects - no immune response- no protection. There is another constant from the trails that the young are more likely to have a and or more severe reaction. But that is probably down to the fact that the trials did not have enough over 65s in it to get popper results on that. Which brings us back to the reason the EU up until now not giving it to over 65s.     

[Grahamm]

My GF, who has severe asthma, had her first jab at the end of January.

A couple of weeks ago on Saturday, despite her having been shielding for over a year, she called me downstairs saying she was not feeling well. We thought it was just another asthma flare up, but called 111 and, having been told her symptoms, they sent an ambulance.

It ended up with her being taken into hospital overnight where they confirmed that she'd contracted COVID-19. (We guess it was from a dodgy packet or food delivery she's had.)

On Friday, we'd been cuddling, on the Saturday, I spent over an hour right next to her whilst she was coughing etc, yet, even though I haven't had a jab yet, I have *not* shown any signs of the virus, even though it would normally be pretty much guaranteed that she'd have been contagious had she not had the jab.

Also she has (especially given her asthma) had a very mild case. Yes, she's been coughing, had a temperature and been tired, but, compared to some of the possible symptoms, she's got off lightly and I've got away scot free.

Now, of course this is only a single example, but it's an interesting data point.
ADDENDUM: When she had the jab, she did have some aches and felt a bit off, but nothing major.

[fazersharp]

My GF, who has severe asthma, had her first jab at the end of January.

A couple of weeks ago on Saturday, despite her having been shielding for over a year, she called me downstairs saying she was not feeling well. We thought it was just another asthma flare up, but called 111 and, having been told her symptoms, they sent an ambulance.

It ended up with her being taken into hospital overnight where they confirmed that she'd contracted COVID-19. (We guess it was from a dodgy packet or food delivery she's had.)

On Friday, we'd been cuddling, on the Saturday, I spent over an hour right next to her whilst she was coughing etc, yet, even though I haven't had a jab yet, I have *not* shown any signs of the virus, even though it would normally be pretty much guaranteed that she'd have been contagious had she not had the jab.

Also she has (especially given her asthma) had a very mild case. Yes, she's been coughing, had a temperature and been tired, but, compared to some of the possible symptoms, she's got off lightly and I've got away scot free.

Now, of course this is only a single example, but it's an interesting data point.
ADDENDUM: When she had the jab, she did have some aches and felt a bit off, but nothing major.

That is interesting.

confirmed that she'd contracted COVID-19. (We guess it was from a dodgy packet or food delivery she's had.)

What do you mean.

[Grahamm]

confirmed that she'd contracted COVID-19. (We guess it was from a dodgy packet or food delivery she's had.)

What do you mean.

Because she can't go out, she's been ordering stuff she needs online, including getting take-out meals delivered.

If someone who packed one of the deliveries or made one of those meals was contagious and didn't know (or, worse, knew, but worked anyway!) then she could have picked it up that way.

[fazersharp]

[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26604.msg323637#msg323637 date=1614862354]

confirmed that she'd contracted COVID-19. (We guess it was from a dodgy packet or food delivery she's had.)

What do you mean.

Because she can't go out, she's been ordering stuff she needs online, including getting take-out meals delivered.

If someone who packed one of the deliveries or made one of those meals was contagious and didn't know (or, worse, knew, but worked anyway!) then she could have picked it up that way.

[/quote]But we are being told that you can not catch it from packaging or post.

[darrsi]

[quote author=mtread link=topic=26604.msg323616#msg323616 date=1614795051]
Three of us have had the first dose of AstraZeneca. Wife and daughter (care worker) had a bad 24 hours afterwards, both taken to bed with headaches and shivers. Me, nothing at all. Perhaps I'm the one who should be worried!

Well yes that was my observation a few post ago when doctors and scientists were playing down any side effects they said that (from memory) "you want side effects because that shows that your imune system is doing its job and mounting a response" 

So by that rationale - no side effects - no immune response- no protection. There is another constant from the trails that the young are more likely to have a and or more severe reaction. But that is probably down to the fact that the trials did not have enough over 65s in it to get popper results on that. Which brings us back to the reason the EU up until now not giving it to over 65s.   
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"Maybe" there were no side effects because the antibodies were already in place due to a previous infection, and simply did their job effectively?
Whereas people who get side effects may have to produce the antibodies from scratch, which is the whole point of the exercise, to lay dormant and ready for a future attack.


Sounds good in my head anyway  :lol

[fazersharp]

[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26604.msg323617#msg323617 date=1614797314]
[quote author=mtread link=topic=26604.msg323616#msg323616 date=1614795051]
Three of us have had the first dose of AstraZeneca. Wife and daughter (care worker) had a bad 24 hours afterwards, both taken to bed with headaches and shivers. Me, nothing at all. Perhaps I'm the one who should be worried!

Well yes that was my observation a few post ago when doctors and scientists were playing down any side effects they said that (from memory) "you want side effects because that shows that your imune system is doing its job and mounting a response" 

So by that rationale - no side effects - no immune response- no protection. There is another constant from the trails that the young are more likely to have a and or more severe reaction. But that is probably down to the fact that the trials did not have enough over 65s in it to get popper results on that. Which brings us back to the reason the EU up until now not giving it to over 65s.   
[/quote]


"Maybe" there were no side effects because the antibodies were already in place due to a previous infection, and simply did their job effectively?
Whereas people who get side effects may have to produce the antibodies from scratch, which is the whole point of the exercise, to lay dormant and ready for a future attack.


Sounds good in my head anyway  :lol
[/quote]But i think i remember reading in a scientist study or something  that you get more of a reaction if you have already had covid

[darrsi]

[quote author=darrsi link=topic=26604.msg323641#msg323641 date=1614868820]
[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26604.msg323617#msg323617 date=1614797314]
[quote author=mtread link=topic=26604.msg323616#msg323616 date=1614795051]
Three of us have had the first dose of AstraZeneca. Wife and daughter (care worker) had a bad 24 hours afterwards, both taken to bed with headaches and shivers. Me, nothing at all. Perhaps I'm the one who should be worried!

Well yes that was my observation a few post ago when doctors and scientists were playing down any side effects they said that (from memory) "you want side effects because that shows that your imune system is doing its job and mounting a response" 

So by that rationale - no side effects - no immune response- no protection. There is another constant from the trails that the young are more likely to have a and or more severe reaction. But that is probably down to the fact that the trials did not have enough over 65s in it to get popper results on that. Which brings us back to the reason the EU up until now not giving it to over 65s.   
[/quote]


"Maybe" there were no side effects because the antibodies were already in place due to a previous infection, and simply did their job effectively?
Whereas people who get side effects may have to produce the antibodies from scratch, which is the whole point of the exercise, to lay dormant and ready for a future attack.


Sounds good in my head anyway  :lol
[/quote]But i think i remember reading in a scientist study or something  that you get more of a reaction if you have already had covid
[/quote]


No big deal if you get a reaction or not as far as I'm concerned?
Will just remind of the good old days when you'd get 2 or 3 colds a year and feel like shite?
With all this distancing, mask wearing and isolating my breathing has never been better and I can't even remember the last time I had even a hint of a cold?

[Grahamm]

But we are being told that you can not catch it from packaging or post.

Not exactly.

And, with takeaway food, it rather requires them to have taken proper precautions...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...9-and-food

[fazersharp]

[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26604.msg323639#msg323639 date=1614863537]
But we are being told that you can not catch it from packaging or post.

Not exactly.

And, with takeaway food, it rather requires them to have taken proper precautions...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...9-and-food
[/quote]I don't believe what I'm told and so clean down all packaging when I bring the shopping home from the supermarket. Told (very unlikely ) to contract it from packaging but want you to not to use cash. Lab test show the virus can live on some surfaces for up to 72 hours, although a lab is not real life conditions.