The Covid thread

[Gnasher]

I think they're just too stupid and arrogant to believe what they're being told.

:agree  and they're just trying to avoid running into their own mess, years of cuts etc, oh and do it as cheap as possible while giving their mates as much as possible, lets not forget.  Somehow I think, they've also failed on the latter now  :lol :lol :lol

[mtread]

Just when you think the UK is fucked up....... the USA goes one better  :eek

[fazersharp]

Just when you think the UK is fucked up....... the USA goes one better  :eek

That's what you would of seen here if Brexit was stolen after it was voted for. 

[Grahamm]

That's what you would of seen here if Brexit was stolen after it was voted for. 

Ah, you mean like when Nigel Farage called for his March on London which 27 people turned up for...  :rollin
Anyway, this is off topic for a discussion of the COVID vaccine, so I'll leave it here.

[coffee]

Got mine saturday morning, 1st part anyway. :'(

[Gnasher]

Got mine saturday morning, 1st part anyway. :'(

That's great news.  I just hope they don't go the same way with vaccine roll out as they did with test and trace, that being putting capacity over actual delivery. Having a 1000 or 1000's of vaccine sites with trained personal is pointless unless you've actually got the stuff to put in the syringe and a guaranteed supply for further doses required.  I've also read there's a world shortage of viles the vaccine goes in, it's also worth mentioning about all the others items required to manufacture.  The world has got to ramp up to unpresented levels of production something we in the UK aren't scaled for and will take time, months not weeks or we stop making something else!  We make very little of our own pharma these days most is made in Eastern Europe, India or the Far East, to max profit.   

My other concern is they'll go hell for leather to get the numbers, e.g. extending the interval between doses from 28 days to 12 wks, then won't have enough vaccine supply to hit the 12 wk second dose.  Don't get me wrong the former makes sense based on the science they'll telling us, but only if you've got guaranteed supply.  What happens if you don't get the second in 12, 13, 14wks or whatever, do you have to start from scratch or do you just get reduced protection.  My guess is it's reduced but to what and if that is low it could render it much less effective?  So far no one from the government is confirming actual supply figures just it will ramp up to pie in the sky numbers, where have we heard that before :rolleyes

Personally, I think we're are on track for yet another over promise, under deliver situation and yet another gamble, hope I'm wrong.  I'm well down the list, so this situation will have little impact on me personally, but those in the at risk groups it could be serious, as it's their second dose that's going to be used to hit the bigger initial numbers!         

[Grahamm]

I just hope they don't go the same way with vaccine roll out as they did with test and trace, that being putting capacity over actual delivery. Having a 1000 or 1000's of vaccine sites with trained personal is pointless unless you've actually got the stuff to put in the syringe and a guaranteed supply for further doses required. 

I have a friend who's a Pharmacist and she said that, despite their experience in giving the Flu Jab every year, the Government have basically ignored them for giving the Covid Jab!

Meanwhile, the family of "Vaccines Minister" Nadhim Zahawi have Set up a medical company...  :rolleyes

[fazersharp]

My guess is it's reduced but to what and if that is low it could render it much less effective?  So far no one from the government is confirming actual supply figures just it will ramp up to pie in the sky numbers, where have we heard that before

Something else - it looks like the jabs do not stop you getting or stop you transmitting it. I see the questions have been asked a few times direct to Hancock and the way he skips over them looks suspicious to me, like he knows they don't work on that basis but just says there is not enough data and quickly moves on. Telling the public that would destroy any confidence in the vax.

[Gnasher]

Meanwhile, the family of "Vaccines Minister" Nadhim Zahawi have Set up a medical company...  :rolleyes

Are we surprised, their mates noses troff springs to mind  :evil

[BBROWN1664]

[quote author=Gnasher link=topic=26604.msg322373#msg322373 date=1610012811]
My guess is it's reduced but to what and if that is low it could render it much less effective?  So far no one from the government is confirming actual supply figures just it will ramp up to pie in the sky numbers, where have we heard that before

Something else - it looks like the jabs do not stop you getting or stop you transmitting it. I see the questions have been asked a few times direct to Hancock and the way he skips over them looks suspicious to me, like he knows they don't work on that basis but just says there is not enough data and quickly moves on. Telling the public that would destroy any confidence in the vax.
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As it is a respiratory disease, you breathe it in an out. If you have the vaccine, you can still have the virus in your airway due to recently breathing it in and therefore still breathe it out before it tries to infect you. You wont get infected because of the vaccine but you can still spread it about. Common sense really, the vaccine does not give you a shield to stop you breathing it in.

[Gnasher]

Something else - it looks like the jabs do not stop you getting or stop you transmitting it. I see the questions have been asked a few times direct to Hancock and the way he skips over them looks suspicious to me, like he knows they don't work on that basis but just says there is not enough data and quickly moves on. Telling the public that would destroy any confidence in the vax.

This is not a concern for me, most vaccines stop transmission by killing the virus within our bodies, before it takes hold and we become infectious, there's no reason to think this won't either, it's just too soon to tell. Handcock isn't (for once) telling lies or destroying confidence they simply don't know at present no one does, there isn't any data to pass on as yet.  Even if they don't a vaccinated individual will get greatly reduced symptoms, in the case of Covid it should prevent death and hospitalisation, a bad cold or non fatal flu at worst, I've no doubt there will still be deaths but small, vaccines aren't cures.  The NHS can cope with these worse cases and normal life as it was can return for the vast majority of us. 

As with all viruses they mutate (as Covid has) but this can be mitigated against as they do with flu, by adjusting the vaccine to suit strains/variants. By high uptake of the vaccine we achieve what's referred to as 'herd immunity' which prevents mass infections.

The issue here is can the government, deliver what they've said i.e. 13 million vaccinations of the most vulnerable and frontline workers by mid Feb and the over 50's and under 50's vulnerable by Easter ish that's approx 17 million, 30 million in total, with the rest 23 million ish not including under 16s over to follow months achieving herd immunity late summer/autumn ish.     


     

[darrsi]

[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26604.msg322378#msg322378 date=1610019856]
Something else - it looks like the jabs do not stop you getting or stop you transmitting it. I see the questions have been asked a few times direct to Hancock and the way he skips over them looks suspicious to me, like he knows they don't work on that basis but just says there is not enough data and quickly moves on. Telling the public that would destroy any confidence in the vax.

This is not a concern for me, most vaccines stop transmission by killing the virus within our bodies, before it takes hold and we become infectious, there's no reason to think this won't either, it's just too soon to tell. Handcock isn't (for once) telling lies or destroying confidence they simply don't know at present no one does, there isn't any data to pass on as yet.  Even if they don't a vaccinated individual will get greatly reduced symptoms, in the case of Covid it should prevent death and hospitalisation, a bad cold or non fatal flu at worst, I've no doubt there will still be deaths but small, vaccines aren't cures.  The NHS can cope with these worse cases and normal life as it was can return for the vast majority of us. 

As with all viruses they mutate (as Covid has) but this can be mitigated against as they do with flu, by adjusting the vaccine to suit strains/variants. By high uptake of the vaccine we achieve what's referred to as 'herd immunity' which prevents mass infections.

The issue here is can the government, deliver what they've said i.e. 13 million vaccinations of the most vulnerable and frontline workers by mid Feb and the over 50's and under 50's vulnerable by Easter ish that's approx 17 million, 30 million in total, with the rest 23 million ish not including under 16s over to follow months achieving herd immunity late summer/autumn ish.     


   
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I had a go at the vaccine calculator which gives you a rough guide as to when you can expect the invite for a jab.
I'm 50 now, and when I checked last week the date was early June, but checked again yesterday and it was mid July to October.

[fazersharp]

As it is a respiratory disease, you breathe it in an out. If you have the vaccine, you can still have the virus in your airway due to recently breathing it in and therefore still breathe it out before it tries to infect you. You wont get infected because of the vaccine but you can still spread it about. Common sense really.

You got that wrong im afraid --- having the vax but still spreading it by breathing it in and then out to others but the vax stopping you getting it yourself  :rollin
You get the vax and as far as we know you can still get the virus but as your immune system already knows what to do ( thanks to the vax ) it then can kick in before the viral load gets big enough tooverwhelm your system and so hopefully saving lives. As you still have the virus with the vax - the common sense bit is that you can still pass it on. Hancock avoids or flips over these questions - bats it off as "not enough data" - I say there is and they know.Which is why they are saying that you still have to wear a mask and continue all the current procedures after you have the jab.

[fazersharp]

I had a go at the vaccine calculator which gives you a rough guide as to when you can expect the invite for a jab.
I'm 50 now, and when I checked last week the date was early June, but checked again yesterday and it was mid July to October.

If I get my binoculars out and look back I can see you in the queue as you are 1 million behind me.

[mtread]

You got that wrong im afraid --- having the vax but still spreading it by breathing it in and then out to others but the vax stopping you getting it yourself    You get the vax and as far as we know you can still get the virus but as your immune system already knows what to do ( thanks to the vax ) it then can kick in before the viral load gets big enough tooverwhelm your system and so hopefully saving lives. As you still have the virus with the vax - the common sense bit is that you can still pass it on. Hancock avoids or flips over these questions - bats it off as "not enough data" - I say there is and they know.Which is why they are saying that you still have to wear a mask and continue all the current procedures after you have the jab

Well sort of. The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is a harmless virus which has been genetically modified to carry the protein from Covid-19 (not the virus itself) which enables the virus to attack healthy cells. Your antibodies are then primed to destroy the protein second time around. As said, the body recognises the protein if and when your body receives the virus, and stops the protein attaching the virus to your healthy cells, and you becoming infected. That's the science.

[BBROWN1664]

You got that wrong im afraid --- having the vax but still spreading it by breathing it in and then out to others but the vax stopping you getting it yourself  :rollin

You know what I mean though :pokefun

[fazersharp]

[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26604.msg322385#msg322385 date=1610026343]
You got that wrong im afraid --- having the vax but still spreading it by breathing it in and then out to others but the vax stopping you getting it yourself  :rollin

You know what I mean though :pokefun


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[Oldgit]

How come our MP's and MSP's have been given priority status for Covid 19 Vaccinations.

[fazersharp]

How come our MP's and MSP's have been given priority status for Covid 19 Vaccinations.

Personally I would like to see them all have it live on TV.

[Gnasher]

Personally I would like to see them all have it live on TV.

Why?