Quote:New Labour is far from dead. Its core still sits in the House, waiting for the right moment to ditch Corbine. I amazed you, of all people, think it dead [img alt=:eek]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/shocked.gif[/img]
The New Labour days are over. New Labour failed. New Labour tried to stop Corbyn and failed. The membership no longer supports The New Labour project. Chuka Umuna and others have tried to finish The Labour Party by setting up a new right centralist New Labour type party but in reality may have brought their political careers to a stop. Others are trying to accuse the Labour Party of being a home for bigots and racists with their fake anti-Semitic claims, they will fail too.
But what could sadly kill Labour is one of the men who stood firm for years and is one of the men responsible for winning it back from the Blairites, and that is Corbyn. The Labour Party must ditch it's ridiculous position of delivering BREXIT. Well maybe, but only if we can’t get a general election, and then maybe if we can’t get that we’ll put a deal to the people, and maybe see what they want. Oh the deal will be a bit of this and a bit of that. For focs sake.
Labour must take a principled stand. It is clear that it is in the UK’s interest to be part of the single market. We can leave and go to a Norway type deal (favoured by Farage a few years back), but then why would we want to give up our current privileges and influence.
It is also clear there is a majority in the country in favour of remaining in the EU.
Meanwhile on a brighter note. There is always the possibility of the upcoming new Prime Minister being put on trial for abusing public office. And hopefully other candidates will now be charged. Imagine that a UK PM facing jail!
(30-05-19, 07:53 PM)VNA link Wrote: It is also clear there is a majority in the country in favour of remaining in the EU.
Yep last Thursday made that clear beyond any reasonable doubt :lol
(30-05-19, 07:53 PM)VNA link Wrote: Meanwhile on a brighter note. There is always the possibility of the upcoming new Prime Minister being put on trial for abusing public office. And hopefully other candidates will now be charged. Imagine that a UK PM facing jail!
Is this the crowdfunded private prosecution attempt ?
(30-05-19, 07:53 PM)VNA link Wrote: Labour must take a principled stand.
:lol :rollin :rollin :rollin oh stop it! it hurts! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Quote: last Thursday made that clear beyond any reasonable doubt :lol
What I am saying is this YamFazFan, is that if Labour now backs REMAIN, if Labour now commits to either a second referendum or cancelling article 50, well its job done.
And the message will be clear for The Tories. You deliver BREXIT and you will pay the political price. Let them own BREXIT.
That same post referendum YouGov poll I quoted from had Labour voters as 65% Remain 35% Leave. Almost exactly the opposite of Tory voters.
So what doesn't Corbyn understand?
God only knows. The clock is ticking.................
30-05-19, 09:15 PM
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(30-05-19, 08:08 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: [quote author=VNA link=topic=24678.msg298532#msg298532 date=1559242400]
It is also clear there is a majority in the country in favour of remaining in the EU.
How can anyone know that when two thirds of the country couldn't even be bothered to vote?[/quote]
(30-05-19, 08:42 PM)VNA link Wrote: Quote: last Thursday made that clear beyond any reasonable doubt :lol
What I am saying is this YamFazFan, is that if Labour now backs REMAIN, if Labour now commits to either a second referendum or cancelling article 50, well its job done.
And the message will be clear for The Tories. You deliver BREXIT and you will pay the political price. Let them own BREXIT. So you are quite happy to demonise "populist" parties in the EU but its ok if it is something popular with you. Shameful going after votes just to try to get in power. All along it has been in Labours interest to make brexit as hard as possible.
If there is a general election before brexit is delivered then Nigel Farage needs to start choosing the wallpaper for No10.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(30-05-19, 09:15 PM)vinnyb link Wrote: [quote author=YamFazFan link=topic=24678.msg298535#msg298535 date=1559243298]
[quote author=VNA link=topic=24678.msg298532#msg298532 date=1559242400]
It is also clear there is a majority in the country in favour of remaining in the EU.
How can anyone know that when two thirds of the country couldn't even be bothered to vote?[/quote]
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Eh? That's not my quote! :lol .
If people can't be bothered to vote then they clearly have no interest and are happy to let those of us that do decide for them.
I've seen it previously where Remainers have added the non-voters onto the Remain total because they didn't vote to leave. It's nonsense. You could equally say that they didn't vote to Remain :rolleyes
30-05-19, 10:28 PM
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Quote: If there is a general election before brexit is delivered then Nigel Farage needs to start choosing the wallpaper for No10.
Won't happen. If the Tories back a Brexit (in any form) Brexit Party's support will dissolve. Farage has failed to be elected as an MP 7 times already. 'Mr Populist' provides too simple solutions for what are complicated issues, and nobody would trust him to run a country.
Quote:All along it has been in Labours interest to make brexit as hard as possible.
:rolleyes
Labour voted in favour of article 50.
Labour need to now realise they made a mistake.
So Fazersharp, if you are not a Conservative supporter, you are perhaps a Brexit Party supporter, because they wouldn't 'have their snouts in the trough'?
Apart from Brexit, what policies of the Brexit Party do you find attractive?
Quote:If there is a general election before brexit is delivered then Nigel Farage needs to start choosing the wallpaper for No10.
The BREXIT party does not have any policies, nor does it have 650 candidates.
The BREXIT party will do about as well as UKIP ever did. Remember UKIP :lol
Quote:Apart from Brexit, what policies of the Brexit Party do you find attractive?
Privatise the NHS :eek :lol :lol :lol
(30-05-19, 10:40 PM)VNA link Wrote: The BREXIT party will do about as well as UKIP ever did. Remember UKIP :lol
I was finished with UKIP the moment I heard that they were associating themselves with a certain Tommy Robinson/SYL, but previous to that didn't they win the 2014 European Parliament elections?.
....just realised you're referring to General Elections :o
Quote: didn't they win the 2014 European Parliament elections?.
Well they had the largest number of UK MEPs, but not a majority. I wouldn't call that a 'win'.
And what did they do with it? Apart from Farage's grandstanding for the cameras, did you here about any of them doing anything at the EU Parliament? Did any of them actually turn up? Or did they just take the wages and expenses?
Quote:Well they had the largest number of UK MEPs, but not a majority. I wouldn't call that a 'win'.
Only the SNP have ever won an election that cannot be won.
So yes UKIP were victorious in 2014.
Just as the SNP were in 2016 - though all the press could tell us was that the SNP had lost it's majority.
The BREXIT Party won the 2019 EU elections. But that does not mean there is a majority right now in the UK for BREXIT, and there is most certainly no majority for a NO DEAL BREXIT.
But soon people will need to be reminded who UKIP were.
And the BREXIT Party going forwards? A party without policy ain't gonna go far.
You only 'win' if you have more than all of your combined opposition. Only then can you dictate outcomes. Otherwise you are powerless.
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