25-03-19, 06:26 AM (This post was last modified: 25-03-19, 06:27 AM by dazza.)
And this is what you're up against.
In the e-mail TFL sent me it clearly identifies my bike as a Yamaha FZS1000, then quotes the reg number.
This is copied and pasted from the link you posted from them.....
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)]When we update a vehicle record to make it compliant with ULEZ we do not [/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)]record the make and model of the vehicle being updated. We do however record the vehicle registration.
Complete load of bollocks and totally contradicts what they wrote to me.
For those who still want to wait for MAG to do it for them.....I wouldn't hold your breath.
If you want something done, well, you know the rest.[/color]
Was any one under the illusion it was the health of those that live and work in London, it was always about how much money they could rip the motorist off for. They must have some more balloons or other pet non essential project to pay for.
I still think TFL have cocked up here, and MAG know that. TFL haven't defined the process of applying for exemption. They can't get away with saying they don't record the model just because of cost. Anybody who can prove their model is the same as one which has been successfully exempted would win an appeal in court. Plus costs. TFL can't afford that to happen.
I think there's still some way to go on this, but as Dazza says, if you want to be certain from the start, get it done.
02-04-19, 01:07 PM (This post was last modified: 03-04-19, 10:41 PM by b1k3rdude.)
(24-03-19, 12:46 PM)b1k3rdude link Wrote: [quote author=Ripsnortingvtwin link=topic=24907.msg295186#msg295186 date=1553341398]so we are still looking on the thou's the cost is £165 but it cheaper then a new bike there number to book your bike in is 0208 983 4896
£165...??!!! how exactly are they justifying that amount..?
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Ok so gave this bike shop a call just now and its not good -
its £175 not £165, so either they put the price up or it was always £175
You have to pay the £175 whether it passes or not.
They contacted TFL when the news broke about ULEZ and TFL specified what equipment they had to buy, so this is why the test costs so much.
They stated that they have had bikes from 1997 pass the NO3 test, so its upto to the individual person if they want to swallow £175
The guy I spoke to is obviously been getting in the neck from lots of riders telling him he is a git for charging so much, so obviously he quite confrontational when you first speak to him.
As I have more than one bike I cannot and will not justify £175 just to see if my fazer will pass.
Call me an old sceptic, but some of this doesn't ring true. TFL told them what equipment to buy to test for NOx? Very unlikely TFL would do that, or even know what. Also their price keeps changing. And why aren't other garages doing it?
Could just be just an opportunist relying on fear and gullibility
Just been thinking about this and googled NOx testing equipment.
Then it suddenly dawned on me, I've got an emissions tester tucked away in my shed.
The problem is getting TFL to accept your findings.
(02-04-19, 06:49 PM)dazza link Wrote: Just been thinking about this and googled NOx testing equipment.
Then it suddenly dawned on me, I've got an emissions tester tucked away in my shed.
The problem is getting TFL to accept your findings.
Might get it fired up in the next few days and find an exhaust pipe to stick it up ! :eek
I'm sure my pipe will be free at the weekend hun whether or not TfL accept the findings they could be used as an indicator of whether it is worth forking out the £175
Women have chocolate men have bikes.....
including ones who like chocolate....
Punched my reg number into the ULEZ checker tonight and .......Bingo
Actually working at Edgware Road tonight but the Bakerloo line which is the other side of the road, so not included in the ULEZ.
If I were to take a left turn and go to the circle line station it would cost me £12.50.... Actually, £25 if I were to get there before midnight :eek .
Still haven't upgraded my car yet as I can feel a new challenge coming on......... :lol
(03-04-19, 10:40 PM)b1k3rdude link Wrote: [quote author=midden link=topic=24907.msg295840#msg295840 date=1554229839][color=rgb(0, 0, 0)]b1k3rdude out of interest what two bikes have you got?[/color]
2006 Bandit 1200 and 2010 bandit 1250, I bought the 1250 before I knew I could get a CoC for the 1200.
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Bummer :groan
Women have chocolate men have bikes.....
including ones who like chocolate....
''Following a productive meeting with the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, regarding motorcycles in the Capital, MAG is engaged in seeking information from manufacturers which will help you secure an exemption for your motorcycle.'' That was on the 4th January..... followed by..... nothing.
Thanks for this thread. I live in London within the N/S Circular so would be effected by the ULEZ even if i didnt ride in central London, as it is planned to expand to include my house.Emailed Yamaha yesterday and they confirmed by email today that my 2001 FZS1000 has NOx of 0.09(g/km).
Happy to pay the £60 for the certificate proving this.
As with Dazza's communication with TFL, even if it is a long drawn out experience of emailing them and chasing them up....eventually i know my bike will be exempt and so will mean i dont have to sell my beloved Fazer! Or have to move house lol.
It does puzzle me a bit that the FZS600 with a smaller engine and better fuel consumption with 0.185 is more than double the FZS1000 with 0.09, but hey ho
Saw this on the MAG FB page, thought it was an interesting read and backs up what I've mentioned to TFL before about the way a motorcycle moves through LOndon compared to a car so therefore can't be put into the same category.
More incompetence and laziness from TfL and Sadiq Khan
News from the Motorcycle Action Group (MAG)
MAG brands industry standard emissions calculator unfit for purpose.
This version: 2019-04-10
Following repeated claims from Transport for London (TfL) that
“individually, motorcycles can be highly polluting”, MAG has demanded
that TfL produce evidence to back this claim. TfL stalled for many
months before finally claiming that they take information from the
National Atmospheric Emissions Inventory.
MAG investigated this “evidence” and discovered that the information
from NAEI is, in fact, a modelling calculation; and we can now reveal
that this model actually backs our position that pre-Euro 3 motorcycles
are not necessarily “highly polluting” and that, by the admission of the
software modellers, the figures over-estimate real-world emissions from
motorcycles.
TfL has chosen a NOx emissions limit of 0.15g/km for motorcycles, based
on the figure for this single pollutant in the Euro 3 motorcycle
standard. TfL claim that the evidence for pre-Euro 3 motorcycles being
highly polluting is provided by the COPERT 5 data for average motorcycle
emissions at an average speed of 30km/h.
The data from COPERT 5 shows that average emissions from pre-Euro 1
<50cc mopeds; pre-Euro 1, Euro 1 and Euro 2 two-strokes; Euro 2
four-strokes 250 – 750cc; pre-Euro 1, Euro 1 and Euro 2 four strokes
>750cc, all average less than 0.15g/km. At the same time, the cleanest
ULEZ-exempt Euro 6c diesel cars emit 0.21g/km. MAG has also had
confirmation from Emisia - the company behind the COPERT modelling
software - that their models do not allow for the emissions advantage
possessed by motorcycles in terms of filtering through congested traffic.
Studies carried out by the Federation of European Motorcyclists
Associations (FEMA) demonstrated that, across 17 major European cities,
motorcycles on average reduce journey times by 30% compared with cars.
The COPERT modelling can therefore be shown to over-estimate the already
low emissions figures for motorcycles by this same percentage.
MAG’s Director of Campaigns & Political Engagement, Colin Brown, stated
“This research has led us to a conclusion that has far-reaching
implications beyond Sadiq Khan’s London: indeed beyond the UK, to the
whole of Europe. Any air quality modelling that relies on the COPERT
software is misrepresenting the part that motorcycles play in air
quality. No modelling will ever reveal the benefit that modal shift to
motorcycles and scooters can play in improving the quality of the air
that we all breathe. An opportunity for all is being hidden through the
use of faulty assumptions that motorcycles are the same as cars and
should be treated in exactly the same way. This is flawed modelling
that leads to poor decision-making.
MAG is more than happy to answer any questions about motorcycle
emissions, and to work with any authority that genuinely wants to reduce
air pollution to correct the modelling and come to workable policies
that promote the use of motorcycles and scooters. As we have maintained
all along: motorcycles are the solution not the problem.”
Contact MAG at 01926 844 064 or central-office@mag-uk.org
Good find Dazza. I'm wondering how long it will be before someone is fined, appeals with this sort of evidence and wins. Leading to lots of refunds. As you say lazy TFL law making.
whether or not TfL accept the findings they could be used as an indicator of whether it is worth forking out the £175
