BREXIT

[VNA]

"All we have had is a little whimper from those who still support BREXIT."All I have done is use your method of thinking - by not being there they do not support it according to you.

Lets see what the BREXIT side can muster - so far nowt. 

[fazersharp]

"All we have had is a little whimper from those who still support BREXIT."All I have done is use your method of thinking - by not being there they do not support it according to you.

Lets see what the BREXIT side can muster - so far nowt. 

Well so far it is 17,410,742, and then you can add the other 10.5 million who did not bother to have a champagne socialist day out in london or cant even be bothered to stay sitting on their arse and click a few buttons.

[mtread]

Looks like the only people sitting on their arses are you Leavers  :lol

[VNA]

Good luck wriggling out of that one VNA :lol

You know 107 pages in and neither you nor Fazersharp can tell us why you want BREXIT, never mind what sort of BREXIT you want.


I think that’s the same right across the country.  Only a lot of people are beginning to realise this, they are beginning to understand that BREXIT is a con.  A lot of people who voted BREXIT I am sure will have signed that petition, many will also have been out protesting against BREXIT today.


You try to blame MP’s across the house for not delivering BREXIT, when the truth is the very people – the comically titled European Research Group – who at the end of the day delivered the referendum to you – yes those lying bastards the ERG – are the very ones who have made sure BREXIT cannot be delivered. 



The Tory party is voting against itself.


The government is voting against itself.


The ERG is voting down BREXIT.


People can see this – they have had enougth.
Here’s a handy link for you;
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

[mtread]

Shame it wasn't pissing down with 70 MPH winds in London today like it was the other week

No it was a lovely day out thank you. But then the sun always shines on the righteous

I do hope you are all going to join Mr Toad's march at some point? Rather than just sit there being keyboard warriors. He needs the numbers up a bit  :lol

[Grahamm]

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story...0410844971

Odd that it's the Leave supporters who are claiming that there will be "Riots in the Streets" if we don't get Brexit...

[YamFazFan]

But then the sun always shines on the righteous

So what went wrong on 23rd June 2016? :lol

[Fazerider]

[quote author=mtread link=topic=24678.msg295233#msg295233 date=1553375262]
But then the sun always shines on the righteous

So what went wrong on 23rd June 2016? :lol
[/quote]
It wasn't sunny enough.

[mtread]

So what went wrong on 23rd June 2016?

Yes I remember now. It was very foggy, and you all put your cross in the wrong place  :lol

[VNA]

They are talking about well over one million people on the streets yesterday protesting against BREXIT.
Further the petition has now passed 5 million signatures and it’s still climbing.
The people don’t want BREXIT.

[VNA]

You know the big question here is will the UK learn.


There are serious issues concerning our democracy that need addressed.


We need to consider what we can do to stop political campaigns based on pure lies.  The leave campaign, even after it’s number one campaign claim was demonstrated beyond a shadow of doubt not to be true – continued to push the 350 million pound a week lie. 



There has to be some form of accountability in campaigning.


Further there is our parliament itself.  Theresa May has not understood the basics of minority government. 



We have a parliament in the UK designed to produce a majority government every five years.  But for almost ten years it has failed to do so. 



Our parliamentarians seem unable to work across party lines.  This is something that comes almost naturally right across Europe and indeed here in Scotland. 



It’s quite something to see 27 countries, with all their differing culture and languages repeatedly uniting on these issues, yet one country, the UK, cannot get it’s act together.  So much so that now the 27 are dictating the agenda in the UK.  Nursing the hopless  patient.



It is surely time to move away from majority government – which is effectively a 5 year dictatorship, not only to engage the public in making every vote count, but by forcing our parliamentarians to put the country before party.

[ogri48]

there are some very good points there VNA. And ones I agree with totally. Unfortunately, if you get your way, which I think is going to happen, we are moving closer to a dictatorship, not farther away from it.
The most telling thing about the massive petition and the difference in remainers and leavers, is that so many of you are willing to sacrifice democracy to achieve your goal. No matter how you paint it, thats what you will be doing. Im not and never will be. But if remainers get their way, have another referendum, and win, then i'll accept im in a minority in a country that is no longer a democracy and live with it. But you and everybody else responsible for that change should at the very least stop denying the truth of what you are doing.
And please mate, stop telling me I made a decision based on lies I was told...I did not. I made a decision on what I already believed. The leave campaign had no more effect on me than camerons leaflet did.

[VNA]

The most telling thing about the massive petition and the difference in remainers and leavers, is that so many of you are willing to sacrifice democracy to achieve your goal.

The thing is Ogri is that it is now almost three years since that referendum.


Every five years we elect a government, and interestingly enough we don’t keep electing the same government.  People change their view every now and again and yes people can change their minds too.


In 2016 we were told that there would be, if we left the EU, and extra 350 million pounds in the UK to spend on the NHS, or schools or whatever we fancied.


That was a lie.  We were also told that it would be easy.  The easiest deal in history.  That the EU would bend over backwards to give us everything we wanted.


Those were lies too.  I could go on.


And as it turns out the very people who brought us BREXIT, now keep voting it down in the parliament.  The very same people who told us, oh no, we won’t be leaving the single market or the customs union now tells us it must be a NO DEAL exit, and are once again are holding the country to randsom.


The truth is when we voted back in 2016, not only were we lied to, but nobody told us what BREXIT would be, and indeed we were miss-lead into believing we would still have full single market access.  That is possible, but it’s not on offer.


Nobody mentioned Ireland and the fact that we are fully committed by the legally binding Good Friday agreement to maintaining an open border between north and south.  There is no solution that would allow us to leave the customs union and keep that border open.  There would have to be physical customs checks.


Today the deal is May’s deal.  May’s deal decides nothing, it just kicks the can down the road.  It allows us single market access, at a price, and leaves us to negotiate our way out of the EU over the next two years.  The truth is it will leave this country paralysed negotiating BREXIT for a decade or more.


We now have a full constitutional crisis, and ironically the EU is now in charge setting the agenda.


We’ve just had the biggest petition in UK history and possibly the biggest ever demonstration in London.  Why?  Because people want an end to this.


We now know what the deal is.  We can all see the deal and what it means.  So it’s time to put it back to the people.  There is nothing undemocratic whatsoever in doing so.  So what is that you are sacred of?  And the question, has to be;


May’s Deal
Or
Cancel article 50.

[ogri48]

im not scared of anything mate in truth. too old for that. im not even disappointed, or angry. If thats how the country is now, then so be it. I dont think a democratically voted decision has a time limit, it is what it is. but thats just me I guess. its a brave new world..

[VNA]

im not scared of anything mate in truth. too old for that. im not even disappointed, or angry. If thats how the country is now, then so be it. I dont think a democratically voted decision has a time limit, it is what it is. but thats just me I guess. its a brave new world..

Problem is we have to find a way forward.  How do we do it?  No Deal, I hope most of us can agree needs to be avoided.
At the moment the EU will allow a short extension if parliament votes May’s deal through.
If that fails, and I think it will, they will only allow a further larger extension if there is a major change.  They have suggested a general election or a second referendum.
That’s just roughly how things sit right now.
The other options is cross party co-operation in order to come up with a solution.
There ae not a lot of options however.  One though, is to put in place a Norway type deal.  It’s almost a cut and paste sign here job.  It allows us to leave the EU politically but gives us continuing single market access.
That’s how I see it right now.
How do we move forward Ogri?

[ogri48]

I aint got a clue mate. Thats why I lay bricks for a living

[VNA]

I thought you were a bourgeois intellectual university student for focs sake.

[ogri48]

yeah that fucker too...or at least one out of the three.. :lol

[VNA]

Hows aboot anither wee giggle then.............. :lol

[mtread]

Here's my question. If Brexiteers are so anxious about the outcome,
Where's the online petition to see Brexit through and get a No Deal outcome?
When is the million + march to campaign for no second referendum?
Or are they just lazy foccers?  :lol