this is the extract from the post mate. the talk about removing the wheel is to do with his cb13..reading it back I thin I misinterpreted it..its just his bike. Strange really, I mean, when do I ever get anything wrong...
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[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)]Hi Ogri[/color]
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[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] When replacing the wheel I did actually use an upside down shovel under the tyre as a sort of crude adjustable wedge..[/color]
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[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] Ideally you need to be born with three hands to do this job comfortably.[/color]
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[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] My mate has a Honda CB1000R and that is a delight to take the wheel off..[/color]
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[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] Its a single sided swing arm and the wheel is removed like you would remove a car wheel.. It leaves the chain AND the brakes alone and in situ..[/color]
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[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] That really is a brilliant design..[/color]
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[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] However all is not well in the CB1000R world..[/color]
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[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] My mate is having starting issues.. Its well known about on his forum but so far there are loads of theories but no one seems to have come up with the definite cure.. His bike is with Blackpool Honda at the moment, and it seems they are scratching their heads.. They've put new Iridium plugs in (Bike has done 21,000 miles) . I thought those VERY expensive plugs were meant to last ages ?? Still not cured though. I fear they are going to replace more and more parts till they "happen" upon a faulty part.[/color]
20-01-19, 11:09 PM (This post was last modified: 20-01-19, 11:19 PM by VNA.)
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[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)]My mate has a Honda CB1000R and that is a delight to take the wheel off..[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] Its a single sided swing arm and the wheel is removed like you would remove a car wheel.. It leaves the chain AND the brakes alone and in situ..[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] That really is a brilliant design..[/color]
Gosh. I thought you would have to slacken the chain to remove the wheel. Another point for the CB1000R. That is nice.
Quote:However all is not well in the CB1000R world..
My mate is having starting issues.. Its well known about on his forum but so far there are loads of theories but no one seems to have come up with the definite cure.. His bike is with Blackpool Honda at the moment, and it seems they are scratching their heads.. They've put new Iridium plugs in (Bike has done 21,000 miles) . I thought those VERY expensive plugs were meant to last ages ?? Still not cured though. I fear they are going to replace more and more parts till they "happen" upon a faulty part.
Doesn’t sound good. But that must be the previous model. Though is it just his bike, or are others stuck with this problem?
Here's one with an end can and a tail tidy. Looks sweet.
Feb's issue of Bike magazine has a test on the CB1000R. It scored 8/10, the cons being a poor rear shock, difficulty in refuelling as the tank baffle is too near the filler, and lastly, chain adjustment is a bit of a ball ache. They viewed it as Hondas best naked bike.
Whizz kid sitting pretty on his two wheeled stallion.
Quote:cant knock honda build quality. my 04 still cleans up like new, and its proper "built"
Always thought the naked CB1300's are cracking looking bikes.I'm just a wee fella, so a bit on the big side fae me.
The new CB1000R feels really compact when you sit on it. Feels reasonably light too.
Quote:Feb's issue of Bike magazine has a test on the CB1000R. It scored 8/10, the cons being a poor rear shock, difficulty in refuelling as the tank baffle is too near the filler, and lastly, chain adjustment is a bit of a ball ache. They viewed it as Hondas best naked bike.
Ta Robbo. I'd guess if I bought one and it becomes a keeper I'd be reckoning on a new rear shock anyway. Standard shocks are always something of a compromise. Not heard of the fill up problem before - sounds odd. On the Fazer thou with the scottoiler I only adjust the chain every 5-6K when I change the rear tyre. And it looks like with the Honda I won't even have to bother. at all Presumably the trick is to make sure the adjuster doesn't then seize.
But in the meantime I've still to shift the shingles. Can't get a hat on at the mo, still quite a bit of discomfort.
The chain adjustment problem is due to the inaccessability of the pinch bolts on the single sided swingarm, which are hidden between the disc, sprocket and numberplate hanger. But if you've already got a reasonable selection of tools, it can be overcome.
Whizz kid sitting pretty on his two wheeled stallion.
them 1300s are a good looking bike mate, but half the bike the fazer is for twice the money sadly lol. Og the current crop of nakeds the cb1000 certainly looks to be heading the pack, though I'd have a speed triple if I was looking fr summat new along those lines. Trumpets are expensive mind..
The CB1300 must be doing something for you though seeing as you are hanging onto it.
Triumph Speed Triple and MT10 are very similar in price to the CB1000R. A few folks have said though if you fancy the Triumph make sure you try the Street Triple as many reckon it's a better bike than the Speed.
I'm guessing most of the so called bike press will dismiss the Honda as being too civilised etc, not mental enougth etc.
I always said after getting the Fazer thou I'll never need more HP than this. And the CB is rated at 143, it's more compact and lighter - so that should be more than enougth madness for me I think.
the cbs a nostalgia thing really, I had my first one for five years back in me halcyon biking days. Ive got it for the same reason them that had z1s etc back in the day now want another. Sad but true. Having said that it is a bloody good bike..but the fazer is lighter, nimbler, quicker steering, easier to ride in the wet etc. and of course cheaper. The street triples of old were stunning to ride, they reckon the newer 765s are even better by some margin. plenty of choice mate if your definitely looking for a new un..
(20-01-19, 12:21 AM)ogri48 link Wrote: you seriously thinking of changing your bike mate? or running another alongside it? the mt-10 is I should imagine a cracking tool, and as muc as I hate to admit it, rider aids would be helpful now im old, blind etc etc :lol
The MT10 is indeed a cracking tool. I’m lucky enough to have one sharing the garage space with my Gen1. Yamaha’s finance rate when I bought it new (March 2018) was at 9.9%apr I think. Not prepared to pay that interest, I did a 2yr 0% balance transfer to fund it after my deposit.
I got (I believe) a decent deal, £10400, only £400 more than the release price in 2016. If you compare that to the list price of £8200 or thereabouts, for the Gen1 when they were first released in 2001, it’s not bad going.
The MT seems to come out of the factory very firmly suspended. A small outlay for a suspension specialist to work his magic and it is much better. There is lots of adjustment available on the R1 suspension.
The riding position is more roomy than the standard Gen1, in terms of peg to seat height / knee bend. It’s a great bike, with fantastic power available throughout the range and it can definately bring out the hooligan in you. I tend to ride mine in power mode two and traction control two all of the time. The front still wants to come up if you’re aggressive with the throttle.
However even in power mode three, allegedly the softest of those available, it can still be a little snatchy going back on the throttle from closed.
It’s still not IMHO the depreciation proof, consummate allrounder that the Gen1 is though. Oh and you definately need the comfort seat at £270 extra! You have been warned. ?
Im considering selling at the start of the season and getting myself a second really nice condition Gen1. Mine runs really nicely and has all of the right mods, but needs tidying up really. I kind of use it as my winter bike now, as the engine paint has gone. It would probably cost me as much to get mine restored / tidied up as it would to buy a decent second one. If I got mine tidied up, I then wouldn’t have a winter bike. We’ll see......... ?
I need something I can bolt some luggage on. That rules out the Speed Triple.Though Street Triple takes the semi-hard GIVI panniers.
I don't go touring anymore. But I like to take my bits and bobs with me on a day out. Like my camera and a lens or two. Also it's nice in Scotland to have space for clothing. It can be freezing in the morning and warm in the afternoon in summer up here. I'm getting old, I like to be warm :lol
I got full hard luggage on the thou. One thing I love is dumping my hat in one of the boxes when I park up. I haven't had to walk about with a hat in my hand for 20 odd years now.
Anyway MT10 is good as it takes a big top box, which is more than enougth for me these days, and it looks OK with it.
GIVI do top boxes for the CB1000R but I haven't yet seen any photos of it with a box attached. I'm not convinced it will look right. OK it never really looks right but you know what I mean. But the semi-hard panniers look OK. Can't get a hat in them though.
Honda 0% finance only on till end of march. Hmmmm. How many nice days do you get for test rides this time o year?
Very few dealers up here.
When I talked to the Yamaha dealer the other year they went through 'the deal'. I was like naw. I said to them we can talk money once I've had a ride. They said ' what do you mean. I said, well how much for the bike. They said - eh? I said - cash. All I can say is they looked really disappointed.
I guess if I ever decide what I want, and there's not a decent deal on offer, I'll just have to push em or head south of the border.
Quote:Not prepared to pay that interest, I did a 2yr 0% balance transfer to fund it after my deposit.
I agree. Sounds like you got a good deal. How does the 0% transfer work. Though I've got cash, I can do other things with it if I can bag some 0% finance.
Quote:The riding position is more roomy than the standard Gen1, in terms of peg to seat height / knee bend. It’s a great bike, with fantastic power available throughout the range and it can definately bring out the hooligan in you.
Do you feel you can ease back and cruise along on it when you want to, or is it just begging you to be bad all the time?
I’ve got a Givi rack and top box on mine. I’ve also got a colour matched Baglux tank cover on it. Fortunately, the Baglux tank bag off of my Gen1 matches the MT perfectly, so I can interchange the bag between bikes as and when I need to.
I think SW Motech also do some semi rigid panniers for the MT. They’re only 20litres a side if I remember correctly? So more space in a top box. That said, the brackets for the panniers are very discreet when the panniers are removed and they’re only £250 all in. Tbh though, I don’t do long trips away, so the top box / tank bag combo holds plenty enough for a long weekend away.
Quote:Tbh though, I don’t do long trips away, so the top box / tank bag combo holds plenty enough for a long weekend away.
Afraid my hard luggage is nonfango. It's good stuff, but not available anymore.
If I went with the MT10 I'd just stick a Givi box on it.
But can you ride it nicely all weekend, or does it make you miss-behave.
That's my big reservation about the MT10. But I am just listening to much to the hype or is it really an out and out animal which gets under your skin everytime you turn the key.
You can definately ride it sedately if you want to. Cruise control is nice. I don’t know if your Gen1 is Ivanised “full Monty” or not? Think the power of that, with shorter wheelbase and gearing, plus another 20 odd bhp. It is really good fun.
The quick shifter is only for up shifts, but like most, works better when you’re firm on the gas. It’s not as smooth as the box on my Gen1 though with a scottoiler fitted. Clutchless upshifts on that are like a knife through butter.
Took the MT out the other weekend. It was fresh outside but about 8 - 10 degrees but with a wind chill. About fifteen minutes into the ride, gently leant over for a left hand bend and the bike moved a bit under me. I wasn’t going quick or being daft, just a combination of still not properly warm tyres and perhaps a micro climate / shiny road surface. I definitely rode sensibly after that.
It’s not quite as easy to ride sensibly on as the Gen1 though. I took that out the following day and still love it. Now I’ve got a taller seat fitted, I’m waiting for the warmer weather to get out on it again and try it out.
Yeah the cruise control is appealing. And I’m really surprised the Honda doesn’t have it. The CB1000R like the MT10 is fly by wire, so it wouldn’t really cost them anything to offer cruise control.
The appeal of cruise control for me is on roads like the A9 which have average speed cameras. I think the original cameras were front facing only but they are, so I’m told, being gradually updated to front and rear. I’ve got cruise control in the car now and it’s just perfect for average speed cameras.
My 2004 Fazer thou has Ivan’s slip on jet kit. Mike fitted mine in 2005, the full monty wasn’t yet available.
I wondered if the more upright riding position of the MT10 might be helpful when you just want to take it easy(ish).
I find it hard at times to ride the Fazer thou sensibly. But then I also remember being very apprehensive about buying that too. I wondered if it would get me into bother. Well yeah it can, but also no, it’s happy to roll along when you want it to.
Thank-you for the finance info. Yamaha’s 8.9% APR is far from competitive.
Quote:Think the power of that, with shorter wheelbase and gearing, plus another 20 odd bhp. It is really good fun.
That got me thinking, and with time to kill while still off sick I started googling for dyno run results.
What I should have according to Ivan is
Slip on kit - 131.5 HP and 74.4 lbs of torque.
Also,
Standard – 121.7 hp and 71.9 lbs
Full Monty – 140.8 and 78 lbs
Motorcycle.com got the following for the MT10 (FZ10 I think they call it)
138.5 HP and 77.1 lbs of torque
In a separate test they got
135.7 HP and 75.6 lbs of torque.
Obviously a de-cat and remap on the MT10 releases significantly more.
But the standard MT10 seems similar to an Ivanised Fazer.
I thought it would have much more.
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