BREXIT

[VNA]

I think the keyboard brings out alter egos that are tongue in cheek sometimes. I don't for one minute believe that mttread was being serious when he says "yeah I posted it, but im not the original author so therefore technically I didn't actually say it, even though I repeated it. Which I obviously didn't..." :lol :lol

No indeed, I think he was, quite possibly, taking the piss out of those who object to a tongue in cheek poster taking the piss out of BREXITEERS. 



I think also cos we are reduced to text on this forum it makes it harder for folks to accept that others may have a different point of view.  Folks often post on a forum, or rather facebook or twitter, looking for others to agree with them.  Many people ain’t looking for debate, they look online for re-enforcement of their own views.  We’ve all signed up here cos we love bikes – but low and behold we don’t all share the same political views. 

It's the same as when you try to discredit TR by his early misdemeanours.

For somebody to be discredited they would have to have some sort of credibility.  A person who takes and uses as a pseudonym, the name of a ‘celebrated’ football hooligan, just never had and never will have any credibility, and that’s without going into his string of convictions, time in jail, as well trying to get paedophiles off the hook for his own perverted narcissistic publicity gain.  As for the Oxford student union, they have made themselves look pretty stupid by offering him a platform.



For me BREXIT is the UK’s TRUMP moment.  We are blaming the EU for a secession of governments over several decades that have represented first and foremost the 1% and screwed the rest of us.


It’s that and the new digital world we live in.  Apparently, we have had enough of experts.  The facts are lies – fake news, and the lies, like 350 million pounds a week for the NHS are the truth.  And of course what will we do if we crash out of the EU without a deal and we all feel the pain – well, simple, people will blame the EU!

[VNA]

[YamFazFan]

How many sleeps before we are a free and independent nation again?

Less than 100 now . I've got the Champagne on ice :b (I've heard we won't be able to get Champagne after Brexit by the way ).

[VNA]

Less than 100 now [img alt=]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/cheesy.gif[/img] . I've got the Champagne on ice [img alt=:b]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/tongue.gif[/img] (I've heard we won't be able to get Champagne after Brexit by the way [img alt=]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/wink.gif[/img] ).

Sure you will.  Just that a bottle Veuve Clicquot Yellow Label will be 30% or more dearer due to weaker pound and the import tariff.  So 52 quid as opposed to the usual 40 quid.  But, really, how many will be drinking champagne in Britains new hire and fire low wage economy anyway.

[fazersharp]

Just that a bottle Veuve Clicquot Yellow Label will be 30% or more dearer due to weaker pound and the import tariff. 

So why don't we just not put a tariff on it then, --- wait a min thats part of being in the EU --- wait a min, we wont be in the EU --- wait a min that means we will not have to levy import taxes on non EU goods either like we have to do as part of the club ----wait a min, that means food will be CHEAPER. 

[VNA]

So why don't we just not put a tariff on it then

I totally agree!   We can do that by REMAINING in the EU.   Tariff free trade!  


But sadly when we leave, or rather if we leave under NO DEAL, as you seem to prefer, then we will be a third party country operating under WTO rules.

I’m not going to pretend thatI know the WTO rules on booze and tariffs.  But I believe the EU places a 30% tariff on imported wine from third party countries.



So um, yeah, I might be a bit out with my price guess on Veuve Clicquot Yellow Label.  Could be more like 60 quid.

But hey you want BREXIT.

[fazersharp]

So why don't we just not put a tariff on it then

I totally agree!   We can do that by REMAINING in the EU.   Tariff free trade!  


But sadly when we leave, or rather if we leave under NO DEAL, as you seem to prefer, then we will be a third party country operating under WTO rules.

I’m not going to pretend thatI know the WTO rules on booze and tariffs.  But I believe the EU places a 30% tariff on imported wine from third party countries.



So um, yeah, I might be a bit out with my price guess on Veuve Clicquot Yellow Label.  Could be more like 60 quid.

But hey you want BREXIT.

I added stuff at the same time as your reply

[fazersharp]

So why don't we just not put a tariff on it then

I totally agree!   We can do that by REMAINING in the EU.   Tariff free trade!  

And also OUT.

But I believe the EU places a 30% tariff on imported wine from third party countries.

WE wont be in the EU so we can do what we like, we don't have to have any tariffs on food.

[VNA]

WE wont be in the EU so we can do what we like, we don't have to have any tariffs on food.

Hopefully mtread who has some expertise in customs will be able to put us in the picture.

But I don’t think it’s a matter of just doing as we please, as again we will be under WTO rules.

And OK, so say we can import tariff free food and drink from the EU.  Can you explain how that makes sense Fazersharp, when the EU will treat us exactly as they currently treat all other third party countries.  What you seem to be suggesting is no import tariff on EU booze, yet we might see 30% slapped on Scottish Whisky heading to Europe.

[fazersharp]

WE wont be in the EU so we can do what we like, we don't have to have any tariffs on food.

Hopefully mtread who has some expertise in customs will be able to put us in the picture.

But I don’t think it’s a matter of just doing as we please, as again we will be under WTO rules.

And OK, so say we can import tariff free food and drink from the EU.  Can you explain how that makes sense Fazersharp, when the EU will treat us exactly as they currently treat all other third party countries.  What you seem to be suggesting is no import tariff on EU booze, yet we might see 30% slapped on Scottish Whisky heading to Europe.

Its both booze and food. Your scaremongering tactic was that food and booze will cost more due to tariffs, tariffs on non EU imports have to have the EU 30% on them --- that 30% collected go's straight to the EU coffers. When we leave we can chose not to add tariffs so imported food and booze will be cheaper. The treasury will not even miss the 30% because they don't get it anyway -- the EU gets it.
So what if the EU slap 30% on scot whisky, you will still have the rest of the world to sell to without the 30% EU tax added.
And it the EU slap 30% on the exports to us then --- the phrase you have promoted against brexit is that they will be cutting off their noses to spite their faces because we can replace most of the food and booze from outside the EU.   

we might see 30% slapped on Scottish Whisky heading to Europe.

And that's it isn't it, there it is -- the problem with all the remainers they only want to remain for self serving selfish reasons.

[mtread]

Just to make one thing clear........ we won't be leaving in a No Deal WTO scenario


It just won't happen.


So all those tariff issues are hypothetical.

[dazza]

As hypothetical as you not taking this thread seriously you mean ?  :lol 

[fazersharp]

Just to make one thing clear........ we won't be leaving in a No Deal WTO scenario


It just won't happen.


So all those tariff issues are hypothetical.

So Mr tax duty man I am correct in what I have said then about the tariffs. I don't mind waiting while you google it. You have conveniently completely side stepped my tariff points.
The tariff point was brought up to disprove VNAs scaremongers about food/booze prices increasing because of tariffs. I have pointed out that we wont even need to have ANY tariffs on EU food if we do not want to have them and there will be FOC all the EU can do about it. 

[VNA]

Just to make one thing clear........ we won't be leaving in a No Deal WTO scenario


It just won't happen.


So all those tariff issues are hypothetical.

I would like to think that will 100% be the case.  But we’ve got a parliament right now that seems utterly incompetent.  They just spent almost a whole day debating what the Labour leader did, or did not say, under his breath when we are facing an economic and constitutional crisis.


Certainly, many companies have made no NO DEAL BREXIT preparations.  On the other hand, many companies large and small have been buying up warehouse space in both the UK and EU in order to stock pile goods as they fear a NO DEAL BREXIT could bury them.  They ain’t spending all that cash on stock and storage for fun.


So whilst I agree 100% with you that a NO DEAL exit would be complete and utter stupidity and incompetence, and indeed that parliament should act to block it, I am not 100% sure that the foccing idiots will.

So what if the EU slap 30% on scot whisky, you will still have the rest of the world to sell to without the 30% EU tax added.

Well 30% of our whisky exports are to the EU.  It’s a solid market too, and right on our doorstep.  Further substantial % is exported tariff free to 40 other countries around the globe that we enjoy free trade deals with via the EU.  The Scotch Whisky Association estimates and immediate 53 million quid cost to the industry in the event of a NO DEAL at the end of march.  That does not take into account the long term impact.  Costs will also rise due to tariffs on cereals, glass and machinery - ie production costs will rise..  The Scotch Whisky Association steadfastly opposes a NO DEAL BREXIT.  It will hit the whisky industry hard.

we might see 30% slapped on Scottish Whisky heading to Europe.

And that's it isn't it, there it is -- the problem with all the remainers they only want to remain for self serving selfish reasons.

Scotch Whisky accounts for 1/5[sup]th[/sup] value of all UK food and drink. It won’t just hit our industry in Scotland hard, it’s will be a major loss for the UK exchequer.  So I am at a loss as to how it is you see this as selfish.

[fazersharp]

And that's it isn't it, there it is -- the problem with all the remainers they only want to remain for self serving selfish reasons.

Scotch Whisky accounts for 1/5[sup]th[/sup] value of all UK food and drink. It won’t just hit our industry in Scotland hard, it’s will be a major loss for the UK exchequer.  So I am at a loss as to how it is you see this as selfish.

Selfish because - need I remind you that YOU do not want to be part of the UK so why pretend you care. I think you are not thinking straight --- perhaps a little too many Christmas drams me thinks.

[celticdog]

[size=1em]I hope Theresa is reading this thread, I really do. I've learned so much about the EU and brexit, hope she's been taking notes. I still don't give a toss about any of it. We voted out could have when the other way but it didn't get over it. Greece is focced, but the sun still shines on the grapes and wine is dirt cheap there. If it comes to it i'll distil [/size][size=1em]my own spirits and brew my own beer if need be. It'll sort itself out eventually just like the millennium bug. Now where did I put that drink  . . . hic[/size]

[YamFazFan]

Watching Parliament Live after work this afo, Mrs May was on top form. We're lucky we have her in charge. So glad she was victorious in that leadership challenge nonsense. Dignified, resolute and determined :thumbup

[dazza]

Celticdog.....This is my way of thinking exactly.....All the scaremongering and doom and gloom is only relevant if we don't do anything to counteract it....Which we will and can.
As for the Scottish whiskey industry being worse off.....that's a classic example
according to this...
https://www.insider.co.uk/news/scotch-wh...t-12064241


And as for brewing your own.....Am already on that one...you can stick your French, German and Italian up your rectum Mr Euro.  :lol

[VNA]

Selfish because - need I remind you that YOU do not want to be part of the UK so why pretend you care. I think you are not thinking straight --- perhaps a little too many Christmas drams me thinks.

First and foremost, I want to be part of the EU.  Yes, I would love to see an Independent Scotland, but REMAINING in the EU, and continuity in doing so is a priority.


And Scotland wants to see the UK in the EU, and if we were to become an Independent Nation one day, we want to be in the EU and we’ll want our most important trading partner England to also continue with EU membership.


And how the hell is it selfish?  We in Scotland don’t elect Tory governments, we didn’t want that darn referendum in 2016 and we voted decisively to REMAIN.  But what you and your merry gang want to do is impose your will on us and in doing so trash our hard built industry, industry that you have been happy to benefit from.

[fazersharp]

And how the hell is it selfish?  We in Scotland don’t elect Tory governments, we didn’t want that darn referendum in 2016 and we voted decisively to REMAIN.  But what you and your merry gang want to do is impose your will on us and in doing so trash our hard built industry, industry that you have been happy to benefit from.
 

I hear that TR loves your whisky.