BREXIT

[nick crisp]

You just know he's googling shit so he can come back with a load of pointless anonymous quotes and handpicked unproven  supposed facts along with plethora of eyelid closing waffle. :lol :lol :lol

Depressing isn't it. Probably thinks we'll all read them too  :lol

[YamFazFan]

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mtread, what qualifications and experience do you have that give you more knowledge than him?    You're a former...what, exactly?

I'm a retired HM Customs & Excise policy maker,  and law and regulation implementer. That good enough for you?  :b

Retired? Then no, it's not good enough for me, since a former Aussie PM isn't good enough for you  :lol
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I was thinking oh no Hedgetrimmer's focced :'( , then the genius reply saves the day  :lol

[nick crisp]

I was thinking oh no Hedgetrimmer's focced :'( , then the genius reply saves the day  :lol

You're not likely to be focced in this argument when you're on the side of democracy, YamFazFan.
It seems ze Germans along with the French are getting ready to enforce their vision of ze fourth Reich on the rest of Europe. Hopefully, just by political means this time, but it still illustrates their dislike of democracy.
It doesn't seem long ago we were getting a hammering for our old empire, and enforcing our way on others around the world. But now, suddenly, it's ok if the Franco-German "visionaries" want to do it to the rest of Europe. History shows us too that expansionism knows no bounds.

[mtread]

You're not likely to be focced in this argument when you're on the side of democracy,

I take it you'd be quite happy with another referendum then? Just to reinforce the Leave vote of course? After all,  you've got nothing to lose....

[VNA]

You're not likely to be focced in this argument when you're on the side of democracy, YamFazFan.
It seems ze Germans along with the French are getting ready to enforce their vision of ze fourth Reich on the rest of Europe. Hopefully, just by political means this time, but it still illustrates their dislike of democracy.
It doesn't seem long ago we were getting a hammering for our old empire, and enforcing our way on others around the world. But now, suddenly, it's ok if the Franco-German "visionaries" want to do it to the rest of Europe. History shows us too that expansionism knows no bounds.

Help ma boab!
Presumably you are in with the fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists of UKIP.  :eek :eek

[VNA]

Mtread, if possible, and seeing as you have some experience and expertise in this area, could you explain to the forum, briefly and in layman’s terms, what is likely to happen after 29[sup]th[/sup] march 2019 if the UK were to crash out of the EU with no deal? 

[YamFazFan]

[quote author=YamFazFan link=topic=24678.msg287365#msg287365 date=1542572790]

I was thinking oh no Hedgetrimmer's focced :'( , then the genius reply saves the day  :lol

You're not likely to be focced in this argument when you're on the side of democracy, YamFazFan.
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Undeniably true :thumbup

[YamFazFan]

Mtread, if possible, and seeing as you have some experience and expertise in this area, could you explain to the forum, briefly and in layman’s terms, what is likely to happen after 29[sup]th[/sup] march 2019 if the UK were to crash out of the EU with no deal?

You're only asking mtread because you know he's going to give an answer you agree with :lol


He might well have expertise in those areas he's stated, but that's no guarantee of an unbiased opinion

[nick crisp]

Help ma boab!
Presumably you are in with the fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists of UKIP.  :eek :eek

You can presume what you like - ready to invoke Godwin yet?  :rolleyes 
Are you now going to tell us why we should listen to you at all? Considering your anti-UK stance?

[mtread]

You're only asking mtread because you know he's going to give an answer you agree with He might well have expertise in those areas he's stated, but that's no guarantee of an unbiased opinion

The purely technical unbiased view is that we leave without a 'transitional period'. We immediately go onto what is called '3rd Country' terms and trade with the EU as an outside country. Because we haven't joined EFTA or the EEA we would be subject to Customs controls for freight and passengers at all border points. Under EU rules we haven't agreed terms with any other countries, so by 29 March we will have no trade agreements at all, with anybody. I doubt there has been much if any preparation for this.


That's just the Customs side. Similar issues with fishing, agricultural policy, medicines, air traffic, residency rights etc etc etc.


What the consequences of all that is, short term and long term, I'll let you think about.


Has anybody here read the current draft withdrawal agreement? I have, otherwise I'd be relying on other people's biased opinions, or what's written on the side of a bus.

[mtread]

Back to the bias. So Brexiteers, which one is it?

[YamFazFan]

You can presume what you like - ready to invoke Godwin yet?  :rolleyes 

I had to look that up. I'd never heard of that term before and had no idea what it meant.
They refer to it as 'Godwin's Law' on Wikipedia. Interesting. I can understand the context that you've used it in now. I was aware of people using what I now know as 'Godwin's' previously, but didn't know that there was a recognised definition of it.
I'd just interpreted it as sore losers making a desperate attempt to kill an argument they'd lost

[steve 10562cc]

There's an easy answer to this Brexit/remain problem. Give the English people a referendum on remaining in the UK or being an independent country same as the Scottish had' or at least let us have equal  rights to the Scottish, welsh and Ulster our own assembly, so we don't have to listen to to bias and whinning from them.












 

[YamFazFan]

Has anybody here read the current draft withdrawal agreement? I have, otherwise I'd be relying on other people's biased opinions, or what's written on the side of a bus.

What all 585 pages? :eek . I'd laugh if you got to the end and the last page was missing :lol .

[mtread]

Good one. Somebody probably lit a fag with it or something 

[mtread]

I've been thinking about this long and hard overnight and had a bit of an epiphany. Looking at all the pros and cons, and all the suggestions on here, particularly Dazza's detailed analysis of Article 24 of the Withdrawal Agreement, and the effect on seasonal EU workers in the agricultural sector, and I'm finally persuaded we ought to Leave :'(














































































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[YamFazFan]

Good one. Somebody probably lit a fag with it or something 

I knew you'd spot that one. Couldn't resist it .


Everyone else is thinking 'what the foc are they on about?'  :lol

[YamFazFan]

I've been thinking about this long and hard overnight and had a bit of an epiphany. Looking at all the pros and cons, and all the suggestions on here, particularly Dazza's detailed analysis of Article 24 of the Withdrawal Agreement, and the effect on seasonal EU workers in the agricultural sector, and I'm finally persuaded we ought to Leave :'(














































































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I'm sure I own the copyright © to some of that text :rolleyes :lol

[mtread]

I knew you'd spot that one. Couldn't resist it .Everyone else is thinking 'what the foc are they on about?' 

Yep, that skinny bloke for a start. He could have gone without any hardship whatsoever.

[mtread]

I'm sure I own the copyright © to some of that text [/size] 

OK, so you could always try suing me............ in the European Courts  :lol