General Election 8th June

[fazersharp]

They also sold all of the council houses,

Who to ?

[Grahamm]

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They also sold all of the council houses,

Who to ?
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A lot of them have ended up in the hands of rich bastards like this one who are now letting them out to the same people who would have been living in a Council House, if such things existed any more.

But now the tenants are paying jacked up rents (which are more than a mortgage would cost on that property) and will never have anything to show for it because they can't afford to save enough to get a deposit.

So all they're doing is paying *someone else's* mortgage!

[Dave48]

Britain after WW2 was heavily in debt to the USA, & the Labour government of Attlee etc was faced with the enormous task of generating export income at the same time replacing our bomb damaged and slum housing stock,simultaneouly implementing the NHS. Just look at documentary film footage of the "living" conditions faced by millions in our decaying inner cities. The wealth of the country was then,as now, in the hands of a small percentage of the people. They believed things would go on as prewar with our role as head of empire. Meanwhile many of our former conquest nations decided that they wanted independence. The so-called losers in WW2 namely West Germany & Japan that had been heavily damaged by bombing had their economies rebuilt from scratch with US dollars-if there was a clear winner of this conflict it was America whose industries were jump-started to supply(lend-lease) Britain.
All empires rise & fall. What we need to do is work out our role in the present world economic climate which is a little difficult since we have consistently exported our jobs,industries & skills,particularly since Thatchers "sale of the century" began in the late 1970s.
What we must also consider is what sort of society do we - the majority-want. What do we value? Is it the quick short term sell off & profit or building something sustainable that we can pass on to our children.
Inequality in my country is rife & parallels the conditions in Victorian times.
The sad fact that we all must face is you cannot have something for nothing & we cannot live permanently in debt either individually or as a nation.
But it sickens me when the fat cats are rewarded for exploiting the tax laws(which they make of course) & living off the efforts of the taxpayers(us) at the same time telling us to tighten our belts & face the austerity they decree.
I am no lover of privilege & class myself as a republican.  If we truly are in such a dire situation then let the MPs, Lords etc & The Royals start by setting the rest of us an example.
My vote is with Corbyn as the alternative is unspeakable.

[steve 10562cc]

VNA.  Just buy Corbyns lies my actual opinion of ALL politicians is you know they are feeding us bulls**t and lies because they are talking. As a pensioner Corbyns policies would leave me better off,  but it's the younger working people that will pay for it in a few years time. There's an old saying you don't get ought for nought.

[fazersharp]

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They also sold all of the council houses,

Who to ?
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A lot of them have ended up in the hands of rich bastards like this one who are now letting them out to the same people who would have been living in a Council House, if such things existed any more.

But now the tenants are paying jacked up rents (which are more than a mortgage would cost on that property) and will never have anything to show for it because they can't afford to save enough to get a deposit.

So all they're doing is paying *someone else's* mortgage!

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Let me move you a little to the centre away from the left tainted view.
They were sold to people actually living in them at the time, not only that but they were sold at a massive discount to the tenant depending on how long they had been renting. 

[HarryHornby]

I always vote because if you don't vote you can't moan, IMO.  But I'm really struggling this time round.

I'm not a Labour voter but I do like some of what Corbyn is saying.  I am all for re-nationalising the railways, I don't think they should be run for a profit and to pay shareholders, all money should be pumped back into making the railways a great service.  I disagree with tuition fees to a point.  £27k of debt for a three year course is a HUGE sum of money.  If my credit card said that I would be shitting myself and wondering how the foc I'm going to pay it back.  BUT, I really don't see how Corbyn can suddenly offer to cancel all the fees, just like that I doubt very much that in what would effectively be 2 months post election to the start of the new University year that they could organise the money for the Unis.  I think lower fees subsidised by the government maybe, rather than completely free.

The main reason I can't vote Labour though is that they will just spend to keep people happy and we will just get further and further in debt and the deficit will get bigger and bigger, it's been shown so many times over the years.  He says about raising corporation tax but I think we should freeze that.  We need to encourage companies to come to us, especially with Brexit coming up, we shouldn't be putting them off.

I don't know what to make of the Tories, their manifesto was a bit wishy washy.  They have reduced the deficit, not as much as they said but I bet it's a harder job than it is on paper.  It's the same for all politicians, saying what you are going to do and then actually doing it when faced with the day to day are totally different things.  But we aren't going to get into surpless by random spending on things like giving free tuition fees.

What does worry me is the amount of house building in the South East (where I live).  We are getting thousands of homes built in the town where I live, with more on the cards and yet we still have no more Drs, Dentists or road infrastructure to cater for it.  The torries keep forcing homes in our area and that really puts me off voting for them.

Immigration, I do believe it needs cutting to sensible levels for the reasons mentioned above about homes.  We have a big population growth anyway, sitcking another couple of hundred thousand on top of that a year can't be sustainable the way it is going.  I also want to see a move away from letting in unskilled workers and reforming the benefit laws to make it more worthwhile for our unemployed to work  over living on benefits.  People say these migrants contribute to the country's coffers but I'm not so sure how much.  Most I see are on minimum wage and as a result won't pay any tax.  We employ a lot of EU cleaners and handy men at my place of work.  I doubt any pay tax.  We need to make it worthwhile for our benefits people to take on these jobs.  It's human nature to want the bigger pay packet each month and in reality that should be from work and not benefits.  Sadly, for unskilled work, benefits currently pays more, or not enough difference to make some want to get out of bed.

If our unemployed did more unskilled work we wouldn't need the migrants to fill in the gaps and if we didn't have the migrants we possibly wouldn't need so many houses or extra people using the NHS etc etc..... yeah that's a very basic view but you get the idea.

We had a friend of a friend, made redundant from a fairly decent job.  Went to Argos to get some work to fill the gaps rather than claim from the state.  Turned out it was better for him and his family to go on benefits while he found a new job, so he did.  It shouldn't be like that.

Anyway, housing is a big local issue for me, so I might vote for the independent candidate in our region who wants to fight the housing.

I've got a week to go though and I suspect I won't have fully made up my mind until that tick goes in the box. 

[VNA]

Let me move you a little to the centre away from the left tainted view.
They were sold to people actually living in them at the time, not only that but they were sold at a massive discount to the tenant depending on how long they had been renting. 

  And your point is caller?

You know in the wee town in which I grew up and still reside in, the wealthy families used to be the families with the businesses, such as the fishing boat owners, the dairy farmers, the butchers, the hotelier and café/restaurateur etc.  Today it’s generally the same families, some of them though not all of them still have those old businesses, but what most of them if not all of them have are large property portfolios, comprising mainly of one and two bedroom flats let out to the DSS.  The money, the profit they make is phenomenal.  Indeed the ones that still have their old businesses, well often it’s just a side line to the main money, that is their DSS property empires.



Whereas we once had council houses providing high quality housing for ordinary people at low cost.  We now have often low-quality housing provided by DSS landlords at eye watering rip off prices paid for by you and I.


So not only do my/our taxes subsidise the big national and international won’t pay their workers a living wage tax dodging bastards (tax credits and the like) but I/we then have to pay folks hugely inflated rent to their filthy rich DSS landlords.


Talk about fucked up!


I need to stop.  I could go on and write pages and pages about how fucked up this country has become under successive neo liberal governments (Tony Bliar’s Labour government included).


We are getting seriously screwed.  And if you vote Tory, you are just asking to be screwed even harder.


Steve, as for the young – what future?  Electing a Corbyn government is a chance to turn the tide against the neoliberal rot and give the young folks a future. 

[VNA]

[size=1em]I've got a week to go though and I suspect I won't have fully made up my mind until that tick goes in the box.  [/size]

[size=1em]

It's important to remember how the system works (it sucks), and the most imnportant thing in my opinion is keeping the filthy thieving bastard Tories out.  It may not be a matter of voting for who you want, but voting to make sure you don't get what you really don't want.

Hope this helps 

https://www.tactical2017.com/[/size]

[fazersharp]

[size=1em]I always vote because if you don't vote you can't moan, IMO.  But I'm really struggling this time round.[/size]

[size=1em]I've got a week to go though and I suspect I won't have fully made up my mind until that tick goes in the box.  [/size]

:agree I feel that I have to do my citizens duty to vote but In past years I have carried out my duty and spoilt the ballot paper by writing "none of the above"
I like to vote because there is a bar in the town hall where the polling station is 

[YamFazFan]

I like to vote because there is a bar in the town hall where the polling station is 

:lol I always seem to end up in the pub just past the village hall on election night as well :lol



I was reading in the paper today that the audience on last nights BBC1 election debate programme was apparently representative of the general population :rolleyes.

If that's the case then Labour are home and dry with a landslide.

[fazersharp]

VNA I know you like your soundbites and glib remarks so I thought that you might like this one I heard today.

"Vote June to get rid of May "

You can have that free of charge

[johnakay]

labour wont be getting my vote thats for sure

[pete786.u]

Just watched  Andrew Neal questioning Tim Farron on BBC. How anybody can even contemplate voting for this idiot is beyond belief. 

[fazersharp]

labour wont be getting my vote thats for sure

:rollin :rollin :rollin

[taylor]

they are all twats,    who lie and cheat,  but try to make us pay tax.

[YamFazFan]

Just watched  Andrew Neal questioning Tim Farron on BBC. How anybody can even contemplate voting for this idiot is beyond belief.

I just watched that also. It was a classic wasn't it!.

I loved the bit where he repeatedly wouldn't answer the question about a second referendum.

Andrew Neal is a legend. Brilliant.

[VNA]

Andrew Neal is a legend.

Andrew Neal is a Tory prick.

[Val]

May says she is the best for the EU negotiations, but will she turn up on the negotiations?  :lol

Plot twist: brace yourself for a hung parliament and tories losing 20 seats. The bad news is I will have the biggest hangover of all times in that case on 9th  :rollin

Remeber Theresa no mates? Here is the lonely Amber too:

[mtread]

Let me move you a little to the centre away from the left tainted view.They were sold to people actually living in them at the time, not only that but they were sold at a massive discount to the tenant depending on how long they had been renting. 

at well below market value, who then sold them on to private landlords and pocketed the cash. O and the local authorities were not even allowed to use the money from the sales to build more council homes to replace them. Just moving you away from your right tainted view.  :lol [/quote]

[lew600fazer]

When you bought your own council house the price you paid depended on how long you had lived in it. When you did buy it you were not allowed to sell it for 5 years.
I bought my mum her council house,the same house she raised my brother and me in. I paid £12,000 for it. My mum passed away within 12 months of me buying it. I had hell on with the council as they said I either had to live in it or sell it back to the council. The council offered me £7500 for it I told them to fuck  off . I moved in for a couple weeks and when the dust settled my mums next door neighbour who had lived beside us for 40years gave up her council house and moved into ours. She lived there rent free until she died 8 years after my mum. I sold the house for £22,000 and gave my brother £5,000 as he could not afford to chip in with buying mums house.