Good News!! Ian Brady is dead!!

[Robbie8666]

I hope it was a slow painful death!! never understood why he wasn't given a death sentence!

[tommyardin]

It's a terrible thing to have done to anyone let alone little children.
I saw a television prog a number of years ago now just after the time Myra Hindley passed away (2002) and they interviewed two sets of parents of  children that the moors murderers had killed.
One family had come to terms with the death of their child and had in their hearts decided to forgive the killers and try to move on, they had other children and had a happy family life together, but they said that they will always miss their child that was taken from them but they did not want that loss to dominate the whole of their lives and the lives of their other children.
The other family/couple had divorced but came back together for the TV programme but they were filled with hate (Understandable in many ways) they despised each other and apportioned blame on one and other, saying things like you should have kept more of a check on him and if you had this would never have happened. Their lives had been dominated with the thoughts of revenge and hatred towards the Moors Killers, in fact they were consumed with hate.
I honestly believe those parents were more prisoners that the Moors Killers.
The parents who had forgiven and tried to let go and move on were a happy family with a sad history they had to try to come to terms with, as much as you ever could. They were free unlike the other couple.
I know it's OK and easy for me to write this from a distance, but just look at the two end products, what do you think is the best.
tommyardin     

[Robbie8666]

fair point you make there Tommy and having never experienced that kind of loss or pain, wouldn't know how I would cope in those circumstances.
IMHO i still think that serial killers when found guilty should be sentenced to death. I am only on about serial killers / mass murderers ie Sutcliff / west/ brady & Hindley etc where it has been proved beyond reasonable doubt that they were guilty and premeditated.

[tommyardin]

I'm with you on that score Robbie.  There are principles that should be adhered to, an eye for an eye and let the penalty fit the crime both come to mind.
These principles are not about revenge as some seem to think, but that the penalty is equal to the crime, if you take someone life like that you should forfeit your own.
Both of the Moors Murders admitted guilt and tried to help the police find some of the bodies, so there was no doubt as to their guilt.


As you say it is easy to stand back and spout forth about the right and wrong way to respond, but I have never had one of my children cruelly snatched away from me.   

[joebloggs]

I have no real thoughts on his death, he spent most of his life behind bars, punishment enough, I don't know, I just hope he came to loathe himself and thought about those poor kids every time he saw his refection in the mirror.

As for the death penalty, I think history has proven how unreliable beyond reasonable doubt can be.

[darrsi]

I have no real thoughts on his death, he spent most of his life behind bars, punishment enough, I don't know, I just hope he came to loathe himself and thought about those poor kids every time he saw his refection in the mirror.

As for the death penalty, I think history has proven how unreliable beyond reasonable doubt can be.

Did he bollocks!!!
If there was an ounce of compassion in this piece of shit he could have eased the pain on the parents of the kids he tortured and murdered by giving hints at their final resting place, but he couldn't care less and almost became smug at the power he had over them.
He was a perfect candidate for the death penalty, without any doubt whatsoever, and worse still i wouldn't be surprised if he killed even more people but kept quiet about it.
I feel the same way about these complete wankers who've started using acid as a weapon over here, in my mind that's just pure intentional and premeditated evil and you deserve a 'real' life sentence for it, 'cos that's what the victims will have to endure. Like that coked up Essex boy prick recently who sprayed 20 odd people in a nightclub. Firstly you have to do research about exactly what damage it can do, then purchase it, then hide it to get it into a club, then actually use it to intentionally maim people, for life. Totally premeditated, and i believe he even blinded 2 people in the process. If ever the term 'an eye for an eye' sounded very reasonable, this is certainly one of those justifiably rare occasions.

[BBROWN1664]

That piece of shit cost this country Millions of pounds over the last 50 years to keep him alive and locked up.

A 9mm round is less than 50p.

[maddog04]

I'm glad he's dead but the very sad thing is, he took the whereabouts of Keith Bennetts body to the grave with him. . I'm with others who think that the visit to the Moors a few years back was about Power. Mrs Bennett must be extremely upset today, my thoughts are with her. Brady was Pure fucking evil and I'm with darrsi on this

[BBROWN1664]

Mrs Bennett must be extremely upset today, my thoughts are with her.

I am sure she would have been. Unfortunately she died 5 years ago not knowing where her son was.

[maddog04]

fuck me BB, I feel a right goon now :rolleyes..........it only seems like yesterday that she was on the news asking him to help find her son. Having said all that, I've lost nearly 2 years looking after the Mrs and the time has flown.

[acid drop]

I hope it was a slow painful death!! never understood why he wasn't given a death sentence!

To many do-gooders were trying to abolish the death penalty, I would have sent the bastard  the trapdoor.

[slappy]

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I hope it was a slow painful death!! never understood why he wasn't given a death sentence!

To many do-gooders were trying to abolish the death penalty, I would have sent the bastard  the trapdoor.
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The trapdoor would be too quick, Brady and every other child molesting, murdering bastard should be just locked up in a dungeon together and left to rot and slowly die and every time another one is caught just shove them in with the rotting bodies.

[Skippernick]

I hope it was a slow painful death!! never understood why he wasn't given a death sentence!

Theres was the first trial to be held after the abolition of the death penalty, so it was never a option.


Although i agree they both deserved it, it took some time for them to reveal the graves of their victims, he died not revealing the last grave, so in this instance i think it was right they weren't hanged. having said that i would of made the pricks suffer, withholding care for his disease for a start.

[VNA]

  At the end of the day Brady was a psychopath.

I'm with others who think that the visit to the Moors a few years back was about Power.

Of course it was.  Psychopath’s need to be in control, they also need attention.  Even his will is an manipulative attention seeking document.


The public are his audience, and he has played to them.


As for the death penalty, and “beyond reasonable doubt” of which every guilty sentence is beyond reasonable doubt.  Though note that our law allows for doubt in that very statement of “beyond reasonable doubt”.  So what of the Birmingham six and the Guildford four?  Convictions on the back of corrupt policing and a dodgy legal system.  They would all be dead if some of you here had your way. And indeed when you think back to the convictions of those innocent men, well there was no doubt the public was baying for blood - big time.  An eye for an eye indeed.

[slappy]

VNA,this thread is about a child murdering bastard so you can foc off with your political crap.

[joebloggs]

I don't get the hate the public show towards the murderers, sure I expect it from family and friends but from the general public? It's not the correct response! To be repulsed by the crime, of course, any crimes directed at children are disgusting, but surely the anger is for those close to the victim!

[pilninggas]

  At the end of the day Brady was a psychopath.

I'm with others who think that the visit to the Moors a few years back was about Power.

Of course it was.  Psychopath’s need to be in control, they also need attention.  Even his will is an manipulative attention seeking document.


The public are his audience, and he has played to them.


As for the death penalty, and “beyond reasonable doubt” of which every guilty sentence is beyond reasonable doubt.  Though note that our law allows for doubt in that very statement of “beyond reasonable doubt”.  So what of the Birmingham six and the Guildford four?  Convictions on the back of corrupt policing and a dodgy legal system.  They would all be dead if some of you here had your way. And indeed when you think back to the convictions of those innocent men, well there was no doubt the public was baying for blood - big time.  An eye for an eye indeed.

So to summarise you ^^^

Murdering people and disposing of their bodies so no one can ever find them is disgusting [Brady] and an act of control.

Carrying out 'justice', that is false [Guildford Four] is also disgusting.

Invoking the death sentence in an eye-for-an-eye way is satiate a public baying for blood.

Well who did all of the above for 40 years, the IRA/INLA and their bastard offspring still carrying out 'extrajudicial killings', aka punishment killings [often these days in republican heartlands]:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinio...97163.html

Jean McConville never got a hearing and was summarily executed by scum, her body hidden, her killers became suit wearing politicians laughing at committing a crime and getting off scot free. Perhaps Brady's mistake was not hiding behind some political BS.

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I dont believe in protecting the human rights of killers (if you want rights don't do the crime), I also think the death penalty is utterly unreversible and so can only be actioned where evidence is irrefutable (CCTV and DNA combined), I just think scum like Brady should do hard labour, not luxuries, no voice, no heat, no artificial light. Make the punishment a hell, so if just one potential murder is prevented it becomes worth it. Why did we spend £8m on Brady? pennies would be too much.

[VNA]

So to summarise you ^^^

I think I was quite clear.

In any case your summary of my post seems to be longer than my post itself. :eek

Invoking the death sentence in an eye-for-an-eye way is satiate a public baying for blood.
Well who did all of the above for 40 years, the IRA/INLA and their bastard offspring still carrying out 'extrajudicial killings', aka punishment killings [often these days in republican heartlands]:

You seem to be a little selective here.  Or do you approve of the UVF , UDA and UFF.  And how exactly does framing and hanging innocent men help?

Perhaps Brady's mistake was not hiding behind some political BS.

Brady killed for pleasure.  He is a true psychopath.  He did whatever pleased him, whatever fascinated him.  Psychopaths aren’t like ordinary people, they are wired up different. 



Personally, I feel that hanging such people lets them off the hook.  I can’t think of a greater punishment than being locked up for life.  Further I don’t believe in killing, and I certainly don’t believe in the state killing in cold blood.

Make the punishment a hell

Prison should be about rehabilitation, not simply punishment.  However, be clear you cannot rehabilitate psychopath.

[pilninggas]

So to summarise you ^^^

I think I was quite clear.

In any case your summary of my post seems to be longer than my post itself. :eek

Invoking the death sentence in an eye-for-an-eye way is satiate a public baying for blood.
Well who did all of the above for 40 years, the IRA/INLA and their bastard offspring still carrying out 'extrajudicial killings', aka punishment killings [often these days in republican heartlands]:

You seem to be a little selective here.  Or do you approve of the UVF , UDA and UFF.  And how exactly does framing and hanging innocent men help?

Perhaps Brady's mistake was not hiding behind some political BS.

Brady killed for pleasure.  He is a true psychopath.  He did whatever pleased him, whatever fascinated him.  Psychopaths aren’t like ordinary people, they are wired up different. 



Personally, I feel that hanging such people lets them off the hook.  I can’t think of a greater punishment than being locked up for life.  Further I don’t believe in killing, and I certainly don’t believe in the state killing in cold blood.

Make the punishment a hell

Prison should be about rehabilitation, not simply punishment.  However, be clear you cannot rehabilitate psychopath.

Like the IRA, I think the Loyalist Terrorists are scum, totally without justification. A front for drugs and other gangster activity, hiding behind a movement, pretending. I'd say abducting a mother, killing her despite her true pleas of innonence [because Adams didn't want to get locked up] and hiding her body reeks of psycopathic behaviour. It's certainly not a shot accross no mans land or retalatory gunfire.

I don't think prison should be about rehabilitation, not for serious offenders anyway. It should be about getting them off of the streets, so they cant endanger the rest of us and it should be unpleasant. I don't care about the nature of the murderer, i just dont want them anywhere near decent law abiding people. Pandering to killers is all a bit sick. Brady tortured children, his time in prison should have been horrid - the recording of the little girl is the mark of a pair of vile, vile pieces of inhuman filth - utterly unpleasant. We care too much about criminals rights in this country, we need to care about victims. Putting a roof over their heads and feeding them should be how we spend our money. If prisoners have to till the land to feed themselves, in hard labour, bloody good job.

[nick crisp]

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Prison should be about rehabilitation, not simply punishment. 

Prison is also supposed to be a deterrent. If poor, deprived little Johnny Crackhead can expect an easy ride after terrorising his neighbourhood, he isn't likely to change his ways, is he?

 

As for the death penalty, and “beyond reasonable doubt” of which every guilty sentence is beyond reasonable doubt.  Though note that our law allows for doubt in that very statement of “beyond reasonable doubt”.  So what of the Birmingham six and the Guildford four?  Convictions on the back of corrupt policing and a dodgy legal system.  They would all be dead if some of you here had your way. And indeed when you think back to the convictions of those innocent men, well there was no doubt the public was baying for blood - big time.  An eye for an eye indeed.

The solution to this is to tighten up and reform policing and the legal system, to put in a reliable system of checks and balances; not to give every psychopathic scumbag an easy ride. Are you sure Brady was guilty of the Moors Murders?  :rolleyes