(26-06-16, 07:01 PM)Flooky link Wrote: I don't really know what all the fuss is about, I was around before we joined Europe and it was fine, we aint all gonna burst into flames if we go it alone. Scotland had a vote to be independent, it voted to stay with the UK, the UK had a vote to be independent it voted to leave EU.
that's democracy.. lets leave, get on with it and talk about motorbikes..
I agree, old enough to remember all the shite that got spouted before we joined the Common Market, the problem today is the people did not do what the politicians and their toadying supporters told them to do and they are all shitting themselves.
Anyway I had a quick blast on my FZ1s round some of my favourite local roads for an hour and half.
26-06-16, 07:39 PM (This post was last modified: 26-06-16, 07:40 PM by VNA.)
Quote:I don't really know what all the fuss is about
You are probably right.
It'll take years of negotiation and mucking about at Westminster. Westminster will also realise that if Scotland has another referendum this time it will go.
So after about a year or so of fathing about, either we'll just be told it's impossible to get out, the instability and tourmoil etc as a result of trying ain't worth it etc etc, and/or new improved membership terms will be agreed and maybe we have a another referendum on the EU, which of course this time REMAIN will win.
(25-06-16, 08:10 PM)Hedgetrimmer link Wrote: Rubbish. The country in question is the UK. The UK has voted out. Whilst Scotland and N.I. are parts of the UK, that means they are out too.
If they wish to hold referendums to leave the UK, then they can negotiate to rejoin the EU once they have independence.
Sorry to disagree with you Nick and I am an unbiased outsider looking in from outside the UK.
A little history lesson here. The UK is a union of 4 countries and are seen as 4 countries by EU law because they have 4 seats of governments, London, Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast and operate as a union with day to day running controlled by these governments.
It is the Union of these governments that control the rest.
The people who voted out in my opinion were misinformed, the only issue most voted out was because of the emigration issues.
This is Ironic coming from a country that invaded half the world and now want to leave the EU because of Emigration :pokefun
The EU is a loose voluntarily confederation of 28 countries with no tax raising powers of its own. It is the member states not the EU itself that have the taxing power to redistribute the wealth to losers which some have gained from the rapid increase in economic activity that is taking place across national boundaries, which includes the way that goods, services and financial capital are produced, traded and moved around the whole world.
The UKs investment in productivity improvement has not been good and the Exit voters have mistakenly blamed the EU for the effects and these omissions and under performance of successive UK governments.
Those who promoted the EXIT now have no plan in place of what to do next because they did not expect it to happen and have been caught out without a plan. Boris Johnson has himself in a serious porition “If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over – Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession … broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this and is reason he gibbering when asked "what next?". :eek Farage is denying comments he made early in the campaign about funding the Hospitals schools and GPs with money saved. :eek
It is like the scene from film the Life of Brian "what did the Romans ever do for us" no substitute the Romans for EU and read the link below to see what EU funding was provided to Wales look here (over a billion): http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politi...e-10939396 and this is from a country who voted to leave :eek
Back to the important issues for me, I going out now to sort my bike out for the morning and put new Motad down pipes on my sons 600 :thumbup
27-06-16, 02:46 AM (This post was last modified: 27-06-16, 02:47 AM by Val.)
Guys there may be a happy end after all :thumbup
It appears if Boris is the next PM he will go for EEA. Hat off to him for trying to unite the UK people after that divisive vote.
Quote:Boris Johnson says the UK will continue to "intensify" cooperation with the EU following the country's vote to leave.
In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush".
The leading pro-Leave campaigner said exit supporters must accept the 52-48 result was "not entirely overwhelming".
And yet we who agreed with this majority verdict must accept that it was not entirely overwhelming.
There were more than 16 million who wanted to remain. They are our neighbours, brothers and sisters who did what they passionately believe was right. In a democracy majorities may decide but everyone is of equal value.
'Single market access'
His column said: "I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be.
"There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment.
"EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.
"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.
"The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal."
Correct me if I am wrong, but the above looks like EEA agreement? IMO this is the fastest and best way to end this and make happy both camps. Although some of the people that voted for Leave may not be so happy.
Nigel and the aging racists spring to my mind :rollin
Cornwall and Wales voted out both the largest recievers of EU grants. both still want that cash when we stop paying the EU.
So I fully support the independance for Wales and Cornwall campaigns and wonder how soon we can get shot of them.
Then we may stand a chance of getting some of this cash we are supposed to be getting back from the EU to spend on the health service.
Then we have just got to find a way of stopping the subsidies to the farmers. :deal
with the drop in the markets looks like there are going to be plenty of pensioners wanting to earn a bit of cash so we can ship them off to the east of the country veg picking to replace are those eastern Europeans that will will be kicking out soon https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016...it-pickers
some people seem to think its all about immigration.
in part yes but mostly to take back control of our once great country to govern and make our own laws.
why would you remainers want everything control by unelected and unaccountable governing bodies to tell you what you can do or cant do with your country.
I'm not ashamed to admit that I voted leave.
If I wanted to make a life-long career out of
working with the mentally retarded I would
have opened a Harley Davidson Dealership!
Even if we retain, which I hope we do, the free movement we have within the EU to allow workers, holiday makers, pensioners etc to live and work wherever we want within Europe, migration will fall because we will stop paying non UK citizens any benefits. This will on its own reduce the reasons people come to this country.
As Scotland, Wales and NI all receive more in EU subsidies than they pay, I doubt the EU would want them back. As it is, other member countries will need to pay more to cover the loss of the UK payments.
(26-06-16, 10:18 PM)mtread link Wrote: Except of course it turns out that the petition was started before the Referendum by a 'Leaver'. Is it you Dazza ? :rollin
Better than that, the idea was first mentioned by their Fuhrer a week before the petition was created.
(27-06-16, 11:50 AM)mtread link Wrote: And of course 95% of EU citizens living in the UK are in employment, and they pay taxes. A much greater proportion than UK citizens
Yes, but there are a proportion who are here claiming child benefit, and other benefits like housing benefits, which make the UK more appealing than staying in their home country. Removing these benefits and leaving them with just their earnings will make them think twice and therefore reduce the cost to the UK taxpayer by reducing the benefits we pay out.
Unemployed English people will have the option of taking the now vacant jobs and we end up paying even less benefits to them.
The downside that will affect some is that the local car was will no longer exist as some British unemployed see that as too much effort for the money.
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