Cab gets my vote by default

[darrsi]

I'm not a fan of either to be truthful, but cyclists do take the piss some times.
There was a road approaching, he was undertaking, and there was no cycle lane. Taxi's do make random moves, but turning into a side road can be predicted with a little bit of foresight.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...sage-field

[HarryHornby]

Mainly bike's "fault" on this occasion.  As you say, no cycle lane, he's putting himself into a position where shit has a greater chance of happening, and it did on this occasion.


When I ride both the roadbike and the motorbike I always try to think about my positioning and asking myself if I'm somewhere where drivers would expect to see me.  Going down the inside approaching a junction is asking for trouble really.

[YamFazFan]

Hard to be sure, but it looks like the cab only indicated when the bike was almost alongside. Seems like a bit of a late decision to take the turning. Wonder if that allowed sufficient time to check the mirror properly?. Some cyclists do stupid things and as a driver you have to allow for that. Undertaking any vehicle at a junction even if it's not indicating is risky.

[Punkstig]

This is going to be fun, as we already know the public jury is split in the decision, so let's put this into perspective with some misconceptions and the highway code, that thing that all road users should be adhering to but dont-

'Undertaking is illegal'
No, no it's not!
Cyclists AND motorcyclists can pass on the left

When any vehicle is turning left you are to check for Undertaking cyclists and motorcyclists.

The flip side to all this is that if a vehicle is indicating to turn left then you must not undertake

Simples, right?
Well unfortunately as this video shows fucking pricks are incapable of using indicators adequately, and/or making very bad and dangerous last second maneuvers!

Let's change this to something 99% of us do,
Filter
Why do we filter?
Because we are allowed to!
Is it safe to do so?
No, not in the slightest!
Why?
Because cunts don't look or signal adequately
If this video showed a motorbike filtering and the taxi pulling into a gap in traffic on the left using the same piss poor signalling and  observations hitting the bike would you still blame the motorbike? It's the same manoeuvre after all and the motorbike is doing something he is allowed to do, as is the cyclist in the video!

That being said we all have a duty of care to ourselves then to others, if you ride with no self preservation and no care for the dangers immediately around then this is going to happen more than once!

[midden]

I'd equally call the motorcyclist  a tit in this instance because of the left turn. 

[Exupnut]

What motorcyclist would that be Midden?

[esetest]

Looks like natural selection to me .

[darrsi]

I'd equally call the motorcyclist  a tit in this instance because of the left turn.

I must've missed the slim line engine.  :rollin

[Grahamm]

Even though I cycle as well as ride a bike, I think it's 60/40 against the cyclist.

Yes, the taxi indicated late and probably turned without looking, but it was a stupid place for the cyclist to try to filter past on the nearside

[darrsi]

We all know black cabs can suddenly do random turns, as it's just the nature of their job, they have that extra steering lock for u-turns, and the driver's probably have verbal diarrhea whilst driving.
They do stick out like a sore thumb though, and all things considered should always be approached with caution, especially if you want to pass them.


But sneaking up the inside of a taxi, or any vehicle for that matter, on top of a side turning could have been thought out a little bit better in my opinion, regardless of how late he indicated.
It's just fortunate for him that there was no speed involved.


Bit similar to buses.
Every day car drivers will undertake me then feel a bit peeved when that big red bus in front of them has suddenly pulled over at a bus stop!
Fancy that!!! A bus stopping at a bus stop! And the worrying this is, they never even predicted it.  :groan

[Exupnut]

Everyone is missing 2 important points....something we should all be doing out there to avoid accidents.....if it was me on that cycle I wudda stopped because of the cabs SPEED AND ROAD POSITION......plus the fact the bus pulled away and the cab didn't. It is easily the cyclists fault.

[Punkstig]

Everyone is missing 2 important points....something we should all be doing out there to avoid accidents.....if it was me on that cycle I wudda stopped because of the cabs SPEED AND ROAD POSITION......plus the fact the bus pulled away and the cab didn't. It is easily the cyclists fault.

Coming from someone that tried overtaking a dump truck whilst it was turning right!

[Slaninar]

I cycle in traffic all year long, daily. So far hit 4 times by cars - always 100% their fault by the law, but 3 out of four times - my better caution and judgement could have avoided the accident. The way I look at the world: say I support Milwall FC. Should I be able to freely go around the country with a Milwall scarf? Definitely. If I wear it to a Chelsea fans club, are they allowed to beat me up? No. But is it my fault if I do that and get the beating? IMO - definitely.


Now, for the video. Cyclist made 2 mistakes.


1) When the traffic is flowing, be happy you're not stationary. Filtering along moving vehicles increases the danger. Filtering near the intersection  - even worse. Filtering on the "near" side near the intersection - how many drivers check that blind spot? Had he passed on the right, then perhaps he could have expected to be expected.   But on that side...  The taxi driver should have signaled earlier and checked the mirror - but graveyards are full of (motor)cyclists that had the right of way.  :\


2) He's riding a "fixie". Latest hipster craze. No front brake. You don't filter, nor ride in traffic without a good front brake - whether on a bicycle, or a motorcycle. Even when filtering along stationary vehicles, you need to be able to stop in your tracks when you see people turning the steering wheel (front wheels moving), or reaching for the doors to open them.

The cyclist has learned a lesson rather cheaply - no injury or damage from what I could tell. Hope he doesn't filter that way in the future, for both his and the drivers' sake.


P.S. Love the way they handled the situation - like real gentlemen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TGSWcSfK_U

[BBROWN1664]

Slainar, I just looked at the video again. He does have a front brake.

Still a muppet for passing on the nearside though.

[Slaninar]

Slainar, I just looked at the video again. He does have a front brake.

Still a muppet for passing on the nearside though.

I stand corrected. 

[YamFazFan]

[quote author=BBROWN1664 link=topic=18810.msg217211#msg217211 date=1448555799]
Slainar, I just looked at the video again. He does have a front brake.

Still a muppet for passing on the nearside though.

I stand corrected. 
[/quote]

I have seen other cyclists riding about on those bikes with no brake tho. Some don't have any reflectors either. Is that legal?. I thought all bikes had to have front and rear working brakes and reflectors?. Surely they don't sell them new like that? :eek.

[Exupnut]

[quote author=Exupnut link=topic=18810.msg217183#msg217183 date=1448520995]
Everyone is missing 2 important points....something we should all be doing out there to avoid accidents.....if it was me on that cycle I wudda stopped because of the cabs SPEED AND ROAD POSITION......plus the fact the bus pulled away and the cab didn't. It is easily the cyclists fault.

Coming from someone that tried overtaking a dump truck whilst it was turning right!
[/quote]

Yup....remember that ride out lol...ended up in a shit mud puddle but I didn't hit the Lorry or drop the bike tho......PURE SKILL

[Punkstig]

Obviously! Lol

[Val]

Cyclist fault rule 167 no overtaking on a junction. If you do you should bear the consequences.

Having said that I also drive car in London. In such cases I keep 1 inch distance from the road edge way in advance before the turn hence nobody even have a remote chance to pull such antics on me. There has been one more cyclist before this one that has undertaked the taxi on the bend.

Means very bad driving skills and wrong road position from the cabby I mean seriously artic will do this turn tighter. I think he has made the decision to turn on the bend itself in the last moment. Its ok to do that ONLY if you make sure the road is clear. Which was not.

Position is very important. You do good position in advance everybody around will know what you will do signal or not. You stay in the middle nobody expects you to turn...

[Exupnut]

ALWAYS expect every cunt on the road to do anything....