GSXR750...

[Deefer666]

I own a K1 750 and compared to any of my FZS600s its a fucking animal. I believe they tamed the FI gixxers down after the Y & K1 models to make them more ridable and more civilised. All I can say is that mine is a complete headbanger of a bike. I have ridden later models and they all seem to have a more extreme riding position.

[Millietant]

anyone who says they stayed with one on a FZS600 is either lying or the owner wasn't trying.

Oh, I dunno. Plenty of sports bike riders out there who seem to be trying but just don't know what they're doing  :rolleyes


I can second nod that - a couple of years back I met up with my brother and his "Sportsbike" mates at Leyburn - they were going over to Devils Bridge and really sneered at my FJ 1200, especially with me having my son on pillion - and also sneered at my wife on her VF 750. Long before we got to Devils, we had to pull ver to wait for all the "fast" bikes - and there was no more sneering.

There were 2 GSXR 1000's, a R1, a Fireblade, a Honda SP2 and a GSXR 600 (my brother). My brother was laughing with us because he knew those guys wouldn't keep up with us - they were all relatively "new" riders who'd come to bikes late and gone from passing their tests straight onto the latest sports bikes.

They couldn't ride for toffee - any half decent rider on one of those bikes would leave us in a blink of the eye as soon as the road started to bend.

So - I can easily believe someone in a Fazer 600 could keep up with a GSXR - I also remember GP racer Paul (Loopy) Lewis challenging all-comers to a race, their road bike against his Harley 'Glide on any track in the U.K.

From what I recall he never got beaten.

[Deefer666]

I regularly have sports bike riders sneer at my FJ1200..... Yeah? Lardy Old Dinosaur? Wallowy tourer? LOL Guess again suckers?

But seriously I have shamed many a sports bike whilst riding an FZS600. The FZS600 is a superb handling bike and unless you are on a straight road bike sports bikes don't have that much of an advantage so long as it has a decent rider on board.

[joebloggs]

I regularly have sports bike riders sneer at my FJ1200..... Yeah? Lardy Old Dinosaur? Wallowy tourer? LOL Guess again suckers?

But seriously I have shamed many a sports bike whilst riding an FZS600. The FZS600 is a superb handling bike and unless you are on a straight road bike sports bikes don't have that much of an advantage so long as it has a decent rider on board.

My point was that if a rider has the skill to use most of the power, brakes etc of a sports bike the 600's going to be left for dead but one thing you would miss is thrashing the bike through the gears trying to get the last bit of power and speed out of it, larger capacity bikes are so quick you find yourself the wrong side of 100 within seconds and sure you can keep on the gas but you can't ride around at those sort of speeds all day without risking either your licence of your neck

This probably sounds dumb, but if your looking for the sports bike experiance might be worth considering one of the 400's, ZXR, FZR or one of the Suzuki's, all brilliant little sports bikes that handle, you can thrash them all day and you really have to work to get the best out of them. Bit gutless two up but thats not what they are for.

[noggythenog]

Pound for pound a sportsbike should be better than an fzs600......not that the fzs is a bad bike.....and to some degree it is a bit of a sportsbike with its engine & the way it revs......not as if it is an old twin shock bonneville is it......made by the same japanese masters of all things fast.


But we shouldnt be talking riders as we are comparing the bikes.....and the same rider should be able to outperform on the sportsbike......better quality parts, wider rear tyre, designed to corner fast.




Hiwever as a package on the road the fzs has some advantages....greater view over obstacles, comfier, more forgiving if you mess up and more softly sprung for today pot holed and rutted messes we call roads........it wont be long before roads arent much better than farm tracks and then youll have dirt bike riders saying they can beat fzs600's & sports bikes.




There are still a few sweet roads in wales though where i would like to take a true sports bike.....A44 for one, smooth, sweeping fast bends, excellent road surfaces......heaven 8)

[anutz]

was looking at thundercats earlier, main thing i want is to try a sports bike for a while, so it does not have to be a gsxr 750, it just seemed a good idea as i am used to what i have, to try a 750....and in terms of models i want to spend less than i was thinking so looking at K3's as well now, seem to be cheap enough...

[nick crisp]

Seems to me the GSXR750 would be a good choice for trying a first sports bike. Plenty of power, not nuts-over-the-top like the litre versions, good compromise for a bit more midrange than a 600. I reckon they'd be plenty fast enough.


Thundercats, whilst perhaps a good bike, are a bit dated now; more like a CBR600F. Neither would be my first choice for a first sports bike experience if I wanted to know what the class was all about. Might as well try something with a few more years of development if the prices are affordable.

[noggythenog]

I would listen to the trimmer of hedges
 




He has lots of experience of crashing.  Riding that class of motorcycle :b




For what its worth id like to try a gsxr 750 too but i know it wouldnt be comfy for me as my fz1 wasnt. The fz1 was pretty heavy and i think the lightweight 750 would be a good compromise for the roads and corners.

[anutz]

yep i think its still the GSXR then....

[noggythenog]

Is the SRAD a K1 then...or was it SRAD & then K1.....tbh all this K businness irks me, always has done....no need for it.....i like punkstigs review on his one. 8)

[joebloggs]

While on the subject, theres a great book about the early GSXR's, its more like a biography of Jamie Whitam and his early racing carrier, and his time with Mick Grant, it sort of starts on topic then quickly goes off on a tangent.

[Deefer666]

Is the SRAD a K1 then...or was it SRAD & then K1.....tbh all this K businness irks me, always has done....no need for it.....i like punkstigs review on his one. 8)

No an SRAD is pre K series, up to 99, then you had the Y model (same as the K1) in 2000, then K1 for 2001, K2 2002 and so on. The Y and the K1 models are the same bike and as mentioned they have a brutal power delivery, which they tamed down in 2002 onwards. The 750 K1 was quicker than the 1000 of the same age. If you want an easy bike to ride then I would say the 750 k1 is not the bike for you. Try a 750 SRAD.

[noggythenog]

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Is the SRAD a K1 then...or was it SRAD & then K1.....tbh all this K businness irks me, always has done....no need for it.....i like punkstigs review on his one. 8)

No an SRAD is pre K series, up to 99, then you had the Y model (same as the K1) in 2000, then K1 for 2001, K2 2002 and so on. The Y and the K1 models are the same bike and as mentioned they have a brutal power delivery, which they tamed down in 2002 onwards. The 750 K1 was quicker than the 1000 of the same age. If you want an easy bike to ride then I would say the 750 k1 is not the bike for you. Try a 750 SRAD.
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Cheers deefer....now that you explain it then it suddenly becomes apparent why the K although i suppose you could say that about any bike and stick a k in front instead of 2000......although they shoulda really called the 2K1, 2k2 etc.......god im pernickity :rolleyes




So it is decided.......Anuts.......get one o those SRAD thingies.....should be cheap enough being a bit older.

[anutz]

its looking like the most efficient way to try a sports bike...

[sinto607276]

its looking like the most efficient way to try a sports bike...

Oh decisions, decisions :lol
Get a move on will ya, it's getting near winter and we want an update before santa arrives :b

[Deefer666]

Look at the price difference between an SRAD and a K1 and that should tell you all you need to know... Decent Y/K1 series seem to fetch (or have been fetching) more money, As they are highly prized amongst the track day boys. For ease of riding go for an early SRAD as they had carbs, the later ones changed to FI and the standard fueling set up them is fucking horrendous. They can be improved with a PCIII and a custom map but this wont add any value to the bike in the long term if you are using the bike as a stepping stone into sports bikes.

Just as a thought have you looked at FZR's? the 1000 RU exup is still a quick bike, easy to ride & can be picked up quite cheaply?

[joebloggs]

Look at the price difference between an SRAD and a K1 and that should tell you all you need to know... Decent Y/K1 series seem to fetch (or have been fetching) more money, As they are highly prized amongst the track day boys. For ease of riding go for an early SRAD as they had carbs, the later ones changed to FI and the standard fueling set up them is fucking horrendous. They can be improved with a PCIII and a custom map but this wont add any value to the bike in the long term if you are using the bike as a stepping stone into sports bikes.

Just as a thought have you looked at FZR's? the 1000 RU exup is still a quick bike, easy to ride & can be picked up quite cheaply?

I wouldn't go for the 1000 EXUP as first sports bike, very heavy steering in comparison to newer bikes, even using lots of countersteer it still took a lot of muscle to pull it down into turns.

[noggythenog]

Not sure why im getting involved as i cant afford another bike :'(




Always interesting to hear about other bikes 8)


I feel some pics are required.

[noggythenog]

And another pic.......not that im seriously suggesting a TL1000R.......because i believe they are too lardy........but  boy they look sexy.....always lived the look of them........& the gsxrSRAD has a simillar look about it.


The headlights on those SRADs really set them off i reckon......a strange bit to like but there we are.

[joebloggs]

My RU, so dissapointing after wanting one for so long, was like finding out your hot date has meat and two veg