Tempted to get an FZS1000 for motorway/commuting duties, but have questions.

[JoeRock]

Noggy, you've got me stumped  :rolleyes

The gen 1 is the antithesis of all you've been saying you want in a bike.

You say you want light weight. The gen 1 is no lightweight.
You say you want no more than 100mph. The gen 1 approaches 160mph as standard.
You say you want quick handling. The gen1 needs a firm hand and pre-planning in the twisties.

Noggy, you ain't man enough for a gen 1  :lol

Your biggest mistake was selling the 600.
Your best move now would be a Street Triple; I'm convinced of this.

and thus was another thread hijacked in Noggy's never-ending quest for the wrong bike...

I was just thinking that Nick  :lol

[stevierst]

I'll tell you what, I went out on a ride or three today with my bro-in-law, and we discussed bikes as you always do.

I've had 13 bikes over the last 12 years which includes 3 Fazer 600's, 2 carb'd R1's, and a 10 plate fz1s which I spent a fortune on.

I've always wanted a gen 1. Ridden a few standard ones, and Brooker81's tricked up gen 1 which was a credit to him. My carb'd R1 with a fat bar conversion is probably THE best compromise I've ever experienced in any bike, hence why I'm on my second one in over 250,000 miles of use.
My 17 yo daughter, and my wife love the smoothness and comfort of the R1, and its solo performance/comfort for the road is unparalleled.

In my eyes it's easier to make an R1 comfy, than make a litre Fazer perform like a sports bike.

Any doubters give me a shout and I'll happily take you up on a day out on the road. Just saying as its something which is frequently overlooked.

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[quote author=nick crisp link=topic=15860.msg182676#msg182676 date=1423348549]
Noggy, you've got me stumped  :rolleyes

The gen 1 is the antithesis of all you've been saying you want in a bike.

You say you want light weight. The gen 1 is no lightweight.
You say you want no more than 100mph. The gen 1 approaches 160mph as standard.
You say you want quick handling. The gen1 needs a firm hand and pre-planning in the twisties.

Noggy, you ain't man enough for a gen 1  :lol

Your biggest mistake was selling the 600.
Your best move now would be a Street Triple; I'm convinced of this.

and thus was another thread hijacked in Noggy's never-ending quest for the wrong bike...

I was just thinking that Nick  :lol
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That's two of us thinking the same thing Joe :lol :lol :lol

Noggy, If I have the Gen 1 with me in March, when I am in Wales I will give you a spin to let you see what your missing  :pokefun

[noggythenog]

Ha ha lol lol tee hee :lol


Is there a idonniwhatthefuckiwant bike out there? :b

[nick crisp]

I'll tell you what, I went out on a ride or three today with my bro-in-law, and we discussed bikes as you always do.

I've had 13 bikes over the last 12 years which includes 3 Fazer 600's, 2 carb'd R1's, and a 10 plate fz1s which I spent a fortune on.

I've always wanted a gen 1. Ridden a few standard ones, and Brooker81's tricked up gen 1 which was a credit to him. My carb'd R1 with a fat bar conversion is probably THE best compromise I've ever experienced in any bike, hence why I'm on my second one in over 250,000 miles of use.
My 17 yo daughter, and my wife love the smoothness and comfort of the R1, and its solo performance/comfort for the road is unparalleled.

In my eyes it's easier to make an R1 comfy, than make a litre Fazer perform like a sports bike.

Any doubters give me a shout and I'll happily take you up on a day out on the road. Just saying as its something which is frequently overlooked.

I tell you what stevie, I believe you, except where the touring side comes in. I think (and of course I haven't ridden a straight-barred R1, so I'm guessing a bit here) that the gen 1 Fazer will be better in that regard as it seems to me it's better laid out for carrying luggage, and will have a better riding position for long distance work, as the bar/footrest relation is designed together for the upright position, whereas the R1 with flat bars would need footrests moving to suit? It's something I'd like to try at some point, not necessarily an R1, but a sports bike of some description with a straight bar conversion.

Personally, I was brought up on older bikes that need some work to get them hustling round the bendy bits, and I like that. It gives you a sense of satisfaction that getting along quickly has more to do with your own input, and not just the bike doing it all for you. So the gen 1 is a natural progression for me. That doesn't mean to say it'll be everyone's cuppa, but it is a bloody good compromise bike. But then, aren't all road bikes a bit of a compromise in one way or another? The ideal solution is to have several very focussed bikes, so you can choose which one you want to ride for each ride that you do, but we're not all blessed with wads of spare cash, so for most of us, it has to be a compromise. But Noggy, you've talked about just doing sunny Sunday hooning on those brilliant Welsh roads, so perhaps you can afford to go for something a little more focussed. I have a feeling if that's all I wanted a bike for, I'd be riding something different. But my gen 1 has now become a bit of a project, what with the Ivanising, the R6 shock, and hopefully soon R1 front end. So far, before the R1 bits are added, it hasn't made it any less of an all-rounder, just better at the sporty side of things. But it'll never be an R1/GSXR/ZX10R/whatever one-trick sports bike, as stevie says.

Noggy, at least test ride a Street Triple. Go on, prove me wrong, cos I think that's the bike for you. But don't expect any bike to perfectly fit what you want. I've had many bikes over the years, but I wouldn't say any of them has been perfect - I just use them for too many different things for that to be possible.

[noggythenog]

I agree, the fazer has to be better at the distance game than a converted R1 doesn't it?.


Not saying id have a Gen 1 now but i certainly think i should have got one instead of the Gen 2 that's all.........i never had a problem with how soft the old 600 was and so the 600 with more power would have been fine.....ie a Gen 1


But life's a bitch and then you go buy one and im commiting to throwing a grand at the Gen2 now in the quest for seeing just what it can be.


I was almost set on a street triple.....then my old man says to me "you'll need to invest in allot of engine oil" & was like eh what you on about....then i googled it & theres some kind of inherent flaw with the engines drinking oil.....ffs.....thats the problem, theres always a problem and no bike is perfect.


I know what bike id like to try........Suzuki GSXR K5 with a flat bar conversion :evil ........out of my price range though.....at the moment anyway.


Oh foc i hijacked yet another thread :lol :hijack

[stevierst]

It all depends on what you want it for, and how often you tour/scratch/commute. I bet the vast majority of you out there do more scratching than touring!
I've used converted R1's for the last 7 years for everything (albeit wanting a gen 1) I've toured around Scotland on my old one with a shed load of luggage where it was absolutely superb. I can't say the Fazer would have been any better at it.
I put my panniers on the current one that fit well and don't screw the handling up. I spend on average 5-6 hours in the saddle on a ride out, and just start to get a bit saddle sore on the return part of the journey.

As for comfort with pegs/seat/bars ergonomics, it's not a lot different to the big Fazer, and I've got 36" inside legs!!!!

Unless you've ridden mine, you really can't comment on the converted R1 compared to a Fazer. I've ridden a few now, and can honestly say that mine is just a lightweight Fazer. That's how and why I built it that way.

Like I say, I'm offering anyone to come on a ride out and have a go.

[nick crisp]

I agree, the fazer has to be better at the distance game than a converted R1 doesn't it?.


Not saying id have a Gen 1 now but i certainly think i should have got one instead of the Gen 2 that's all.........i never had a problem with how soft the old 600 was and so the 600 with more power would have been fine.....ie a Gen 1


But life's a bitch and then you go buy one and im commiting to throwing a grand at the Gen2 now in the quest for seeing just what it can be.


I was almost set on a street triple.....then my old man says to me "you'll need to invest in allot of engine oil" & was like eh what you on about....then i googled it & theres some kind of inherent flaw with the engines drinking oil.....ffs.....thats the problem, theres always a problem and no bike is perfect.


I know what bike id like to try........Suzuki GSXR K5 with a flat bar conversion :evil ........out of my price range though.....at the moment anyway.


Oh foc i hijacked yet another thread :lol :hijack

That's news to me! Loads of guys on another forum I use have them, and never once has that been mentioned. I had an FZR1000EXUP and they have a reputation for drinking oil, but I never had a problem. With the Fazer gen 1, I find if you have a day of really caning it, it'll want a drop to top up sometimes, but fine with lighter, "everyday" use. It doesn't put me off wanting to try one for a while, you can always trade in again.

Stevie, I'd be in that queue to try yours but for one thing. I loaned a GPZ1100 to a mate once; he went out and killed himself on it. Please think very carefully before you lend your bike to others. Mostly, everything will be fine, but if the worst does happen, you'll live with guilt for the rest of your life. There was nothing wrong with the bike, he just got over-enthusiastic in the wrong place, and that was it.

[noggythenog]

Stevie, all this time you've been putting a bikes performance in all sectors down to the wrong things.




Clearly it's just the Maxxis Diamonds that are creating the bike, slap them on a moped & it'll out perform anything :lol


Shit i just hope my garage stocks them now or ill never hear the end of it if i buy a lesser tyre

[stevierst]

You've got to bow down to the maxxix diamond supremacy Noggy, you will eventually cave in and experience the handling that Rossi would be proud of

And Nick, I understand you, and my heart goes out to ya for losing a friend. I wouldn't just let my bike out to a stranger, I'd ride with you first and work it out if your any good.  Then I'd be in front setting the pace accordingly. Been doing this a long time, I ain't stupid.

[nick crisp]

I ain't stupid.

No, no, I know, didn't mean to suggest so. But sometimes it's worth reminding people; not only you reading this, I'm sure.

[stevierst]

Yeah, its good point Nick. I didn't mean anything by it bud.

[JoeRock]

I agree, the fazer has to be better at the distance game than a converted R1 doesn't it?.


Not saying id have a Gen 1 now but i certainly think i should have got one instead of the Gen 2 that's all.........i never had a problem with how soft the old 600 was and so the 600 with more power would have been fine.....ie a Gen 1


But life's a bitch and then you go buy one and im commiting to throwing a grand at the Gen2 now in the quest for seeing just what it can be.


I was almost set on a street triple.....then my old man says to me "you'll need to invest in allot of engine oil" & was like eh what you on about....then i googled it & theres some kind of inherent flaw with the engines drinking oil.....ffs.....thats the problem, theres always a problem and no bike is perfect.


I know what bike id like to try........Suzuki GSXR K5 with a flat bar conversion :evil ........out of my price range though.....at the moment anyway.


Oh foc i hijacked yet another thread :lol :hijack

Give me a choice between doing 300 miles on a normal R1, or an FZS 1000 - I'd pick the R1 every time. Only reason I'd ever pick the FZS would be if I HAD to have hard luggage, or was gonna take a pillion.
Wouldn't worry about the oil drinking - some Trumpeys can do it a bit more than others buts its a relatively normal thing - same as old Yams really!
If you actually want a GSXR1000 Noggy you should consider a ZX-10R - I picked my 07 up in excellent condition, with akrapovics and 16k ish miles for £3400. That said, it doesn't like rough surfaces (fork springs are too hard as standard for my weight at least), so dodgy back roads aren't its best area. Get it on a decent A road though and its a screamer!

[noggythenog]

Actually i think i mentioned this a couple times before but last hear i had a seat on an R1 just for the foc of it at a dealers....i cant quite remember what vintage it was but anyway it wasnt brand new....probably a 10 plate or something.


Id just been sitting on one of those big white & red Honda cb things which are very nice and a big comfy bike and much to my surprise the R1 was comfy......i couldnt believe it...i thought i must've been tripping or letting the cool factor cloud my judgement.......although the rear sets were high up because of the lying across the tank it made it comfy.


The main thing about the upright bikes for me isnt quite about the comfort but more to do with the view across cars and hedges or even just site seeing & i wouldnt want to be constantly viewing the world within such a small field of vision....certainly for the OP's needs on the mortorway then the fazer being nice & high up for seeing over traffic or ogling talent is surely a good bike.

[JoeRock]

Actually i think i mentioned this a couple times before but last hear i had a seat on an R1 just for the foc of it at a dealers....i cant quite remember what vintage it was but anyway it wasnt brand new....probably a 10 plate or something.


Id just been sitting on one of those big white & red Honda cb things which are very nice and a big comfy bike and much to my surprise the R1 was comfy......i couldnt believe it...i thought i must've been tripping or letting the cool factor cloud my judgement.......although the rear sets were high up because of the lying across the tank it made it comfy.


The main thing about the upright bikes for me isnt quite about the comfort but more to do with the view across cars and hedges or even just site seeing & i wouldnt want to be constantly viewing the world within such a small field of vision....certainly for the OP's needs on the mortorway then the fazer being nice & high up for seeing over traffic or ogling talent is surely a good bike.

Unless you're on a massive adventure bike Noggy I would imagine it's probably 6 inches difference, tops? If you find them comfy - at least try a sports bike once in your life!

[stevierst]

Just had this morning on a tracer, and it felt huge compared to the R1. You could see over everything!