Jordan

[maddog04]

I know a guy that disappears every 6 months :rolleyes

told me that when the enemy runs outta bullets, they stand up and start shouting to allah..........he says if they want to meet allah then he'll help them on their way....bang bang

[fazed]

Isis are the guys that throw gays off tall buildings for being gay but say its fine to marry a NINE YEAR OLD girl as well as enslaving Yazidi and Christian minority women after exterminating the men and boys (all of them were unarmed - naturally) it's also ok burning helpless prisoners alive in addition to beheading a volunteer aid worker just because he was a white christian.  Religious Nazis can be negotiated with........  They need stopping - NOW.  Hope the Jordanians take no prisoners.

[lew600fazer]

Isis are the guys that throw gays off tall buildings for being gay but say its fine to marry a NINE YEAR OLD girl as well as enslaving Yazidi and Christian minority women after exterminating the men and boys (all of them were unarmed - naturally) it's also ok burning helpless prisoners alive in addition to beheading a volunteer aid worker just because he was a white christian.  Religious Nazis can be negotiated with........  They need stopping - NOW.  Hope the Jordanians take no prisoners.

:guitar :guitar playing my tune there fazed could not agree more.

[VNA]

Now whether you believe that is another matter.

One word Phil - No.

I would ask you this, seeing as Isis have millions, many many millions, well they are cash rich, you might want to consider where that money is coming from.  A simple google search will give you some clues.  They are seriously well funded.    And I think you will find that it is our allies that fund ISIS.

I agree that their crimes are abhorrent,  but an eye for an eye simply doesn't work. Nothing seems to, it only makes their resolve stronger. All that will happen is that IS will say they died for the cause and dub them martyrs.

ISIS are doing the running here, and they have plenty of funding.  Totally agree risticuss.

Jordan needed to ask - what does ISIS want us to do - how do they wish us to react.  I would suggest that Jordan reacted and acted exactly as ISIS wished them to.

Religious Nazis can be negotiated with........ 

I feel a Godwin's law moment may almost be upon us.  But fazed I think that was attempted, failed and 5 million Jews were exterminated along with disable folks, Roma, gays and others, not to mention a word war.

Lew,

I don't think you will find many journalists with a better understanding of the Middle East than Robert Fisk.  Patrick Cockburn (who also writes for the Indy) is another.  To my surprise newsnight last night had Patrick on to discuss ISIS. 

[lew600fazer]

You stated the UK needs to review it's funding, implying the UK Goverment openly fund ISIS then you post a quote from a newspaper as your proof.
I assume you do realise that these ISIS guys will quite happily chop your head off for absolutly no reason at all. They are not playing with a full deck.
Heaven forbid if they actually comit an atrocity in Israel, Jordan has responded and acted basically you do 1 of ours we will do 2 of yours. If they hit the Israel hard stand by for Gulf war 3 because the Israelis will not fanny about.

[VNA]

You stated the UK needs to review it's funding, implying the UK Goverment openly fund ISIS then you post a quote from a newspaper as your proof.

The UK government is well aware of how ISIS is funded.

It was not that long ago that David Cameron was meeting with Sheikh Tamin bin Hamad al-Thani, The Emir of Qatar to - it is reported - beg him to stop funding ISIS.

Follow the money Lew and you will find the funders.  They are pretty much all allies of ours.

[noggythenog]

Bring out the Nukes...that's what i'm saying......lets see them tweet whilst being vapourised.........the only thing that'll be tweeting is a radioactive Chafinch 8000 miles away the shower of absolute vermin.


I couldnt give 2 monkeys shits who did what or when they did it or what history book i can read it in..........they're out of order.


If they cant be nuked then i suggest a conventional onslaught including cluster bombs & Napalm & bayonets & flamethrowers.


Why dont we stop pissing about.

[VNA]

noggythenog,

I couldnt give 2 monkeys shits who did what or when they did it or what history book i can read it in..........they're out of order.

Well that's helpful.  So you openly admit you don't have a clue about any of this, which clearly you don't;

If they cant be nuked then i suggest a conventional onslaught including cluster bombs & Napalm & bayonets & flamethrowers.

I think we did all that in Iraq, which is of course why we are where we are. 

So perhaps you can explain to us how exactly your bone heid, illegal and immoral suggestions for action would help?

[lincs1963]

Bring out the Nukes...that's what i'm saying......lets see them tweet whilst being vapourised.........the only thing that'll be tweeting is a radioactive Chafinch 8000 miles away the shower of absolute vermin.


I couldnt give 2 monkeys shits who did what or when they did it or what history book i can read it in..........they're out of order.


If they cant be nuked then i suggest a conventional onslaught including cluster bombs & Napalm & bayonets & flamethrowers.


Why dont we stop pissing about.

I think noggy is speaking from the heart and saying what most of us are thinking. So, vna, what would you suggest?

[Doddsie]

I wish I was an expert on everything!!!!!!!  :rolleyes :rolleyes

[rustyrider]

I was thinking much the same.  If you give money to someone who claims to be penniless and they then go and spend that money on booze and fags, is it your fault?  If a country gives money to another country and they then give some of it to support a terrorist group, is that your fault?  If the recipient had been open about where some of the money was going to go maybe you wouldn't have given it but you yourself can't be accused of supporting the terrorist group.

There is only one language they understand.  You can't negotiate and quote the Geneva Convention with an organisation that kidnaps a journalist, asks for 200 million dollars ransom and then publicly executes that journalist, and post video of it on the internet, because the ransom isn't paid.  Same goes for burning alive what is effectively a prisoner of war, it isn't warfare, it's barbarism.  Fuck the rules of warfare, give as good as they give.

[lew600fazer]

I was thinking much the same.  If you give money to someone who claims to be penniless and they then go and spend that money on booze and fags, is it your fault?  If a country gives money to another country and they then give some of it to support a terrorist group, is that your fault?  If the recipient had been open about where some of the money was going to go maybe you wouldn't have given it but you yourself can't be accused of supporting the terrorist group.

There is only one language they understand.  You can't negotiate and quote the Geneva Convention with an organisation that kidnaps a journalist, asks for 200 million dollars ransom and then publicly executes that journalist, and post video of it on the internet, because the ransom isn't paid.  Same goes for burning alive what is effectively a prisoner of war, it isn't warfare, it's barbarism.  Fuck the rules of warfare, give as good as they give.

Only way to win terrorise the terriosts,

[VNA]

So, vna, what would you suggest?

Usually I'm reasonably up to date on these things.

Just now I'm looking at my 5th week off sick with stress.  Got two parents with dementia, who have stubbornly refused help and as I knew would eventually happen - well the wheels have fallen off.  So since December my life has been pretty hellish to say the least.  Add in an incompetent solicitor, a until now silent sibling butting in, a crap POA document, both parents going down one after the other with a virus..... and well I could go on and on. 

So I'm behind the curve on this.

But I would say we are paying the price of arrogant and incompetent foreign policy spanning the last 60 years or so.

What we do have is huge influence over Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait and the other Wahhabist Sunni states.  We need to stop them and their buddies funding ISIS.  Follow the money that is what is happening. 

We also have to deal with the biggest evil first - ISIS.  We are correct about one thing - they are out of control. We made a mistake in not backing Assad, and a big mistake in supporting the ISIS influenced rebels that opposed him.  We need to open diplomatic channels with Iran (we can see that happening already).  We need to start talking to Putin.  Putin rightly backed Assad along with their ally Iran.

Israel.  It's about time we exercised our influence over Israel.  This seems impossible as the USA seems incapable of standing up to Israel.  But we have a moral obligation to limited our trade with Israel.  It's about time we refused to sell or maintain any Israeli military equipment for a start.  We can influence them without the USA, as the USA is Israel's only steadfast ally.

But sorry I haven't read a newspaper in about two months.  I'm way behind the curve now.

If you do want to understand what is happening you could do a lot worse than reading Robert Fisk's and Patrick Cockburn's reports (or books) - they are two of the foremost journalistic experts in the world on these matters.

[VNA]

Only way to win terrorise the terriosts,

Which is exactly what ISIS want you to do.

That's a fail Lew.

[noggythenog]

Forget iraq people...just forget it.........yes we focced up & yes it was wrong......lets move on.......lets not base every sexual relationship we have on the one fumble we had down some ugly girls pants when we were 16.




It is fashionable right now to be slating our own governments, our pasts, our armies ....all dick heads.......oh lets slate them and and the intelligence agencies....nasty nasty hisssss.........well hang on a minute......who said we were free in the first place?......are there seriously a breed of people out there that think that they're free in every sense.........this aint Braveheart ffs.


Slating the mighty USA.......oh nasty nasty USA.........lets attack those idiots.........not so idiotic that they're doing so well though & supporting the UK & providing us with our big dicked sense of security in this world that we really have almost zero clout in.


As far as i can see the US wears its heart on its sleeve and we used to before we started being a bunch o fannies that think we're free like a butterfly.


I can see a whole nation of people hiding in their houses and glued to their computers viewing anti everything shite................totally content while they are slaughted......right or wrong....they wont even get that consideration.

[Exupnut]

I love Jordan

[Dead Eye]

:lurk

[lew600fazer]

Only way to win terrorise the terriosts,

Which is exactly what ISIS want you to do.

That's a fail Lew.

How is it a fail VNA , why did you think the IRA came to the table?? The security forces in N Ireland eventually took the gloves off. In what way you may ask?? they started leaking information to the other bunch of arseholes and the result of that was that quite a few of the IRA top boys got whacked , and that is not something I just made up.

[VNA]

Forget iraq people...just forget it.........yes we focced up & yes it was wrong......lets move on.

Oh yes it was wrong.  And let us not forget that Saddam was our man.

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Population of Iraq - approx 33 million.

Documented civilian deaths from violence since 2003 following allied illegal  invasion - 135,000 - 152,000    Refugees - ???? A million - a few million - who knows?

noggythenog - move on?

Turn it round noggy, if the UK had suffered what Iraq has suffered in recent years, would you just wanna move on....................

I think not.

[slimwilly]

I wish I was an expert on everything!!!!!!!  :rolleyes :rolleyes

Hahahahahahaha :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol , Perfect quote