what did you do with your fazer today ?

[pilgo]

Dropped it!  :'(

Thankfully I fitted the engine bars just last week. So no real damage.  8)

phew!!

can i ask where you got the engine bars from? only place i can find em is on the wemoto site.think its a good idea to fit them as im planning to ride over the winter

oh,and i ordered a Beowulf carbon fibre sleeved exhaust with baffles that you take out on 'track day's'  :evil

[noggythenog]

Rospa was interesting, missed out on a gold, just,,,

I filtered to the front of a set of lights in front of a white van in a 30 section and the examiner said I could have put my self at risk if the van decided to race me, he siad he's seen it bofore and also braking down from a 70 to a 30 instead of using the engine. This contradicted what an IAM guy told me to do on an IDCAM a year ago so a bit annoyed at that.

Other than that, it was pretty relaxed really.

I did some driver training years ago & the one thing that i remember is that they did not condone slowing down using the gearbox, all on the brakes til the last minute, looking looking looking braking braking braking, see the gap, off the brakes, select the correct gear & then complete the move.


I remember the instructor saying "whats more expensive"" a new gearbox or some new brake pads"


So sounds a contradiction to be punished for not using the gearbox really i agree.


Foccin instructor! :evil

[Skippernick]

[quote author=JZS 600 link=topic=6412.msg113342#msg113342 date=1384534247]
Rospa was interesting, missed out on a gold, just,,,

I filtered to the front of a set of lights in front of a white van in a 30 section and the examiner said I could have put my self at risk if the van decided to race me, he siad he's seen it bofore and also braking down from a 70 to a 30 instead of using the engine. This contradicted what an IAM guy told me to do on an IDCAM a year ago so a bit annoyed at that.

Other than that, it was pretty relaxed really.

I did some driver training years ago & the one thing that i remember is that they did not condone slowing down using the gearbox, all on the brakes til the last minute, looking looking looking braking braking braking, see the gap, off the brakes, select the correct gear & then complete the move.


I remember the instructor saying "whats more expensive"" a new gearbox or some new brake pads"


So sounds a contradiction to be punished for not using the gearbox really i agree.


Foccin instructor! :evil
[/quote]


IAM - "gears are for going brakes are for slowing" simples

[unfazed]

[quote author=noggythenog link=topic=6412.msg113348#msg113348 date=1384536145]
[quote author=JZS 600 link=topic=6412.msg113342#msg113342 date=1384534247]
Rospa was interesting, missed out on a gold, just,,,

I filtered to the front of a set of lights in front of a white van in a 30 section and the examiner said I could have put my self at risk if the van decided to race me, he siad he's seen it bofore and also braking down from a 70 to a 30 instead of using the engine. This contradicted what an IAM guy told me to do on an IDCAM a year ago so a bit annoyed at that.

Other than that, it was pretty relaxed really.

I did some driver training years ago & the one thing that i remember is that they did not condone slowing down using the gearbox, all on the brakes til the last minute, looking looking looking braking braking braking, see the gap, off the brakes, select the correct gear & then complete the move.


I remember the instructor saying "whats more expensive"" a new gearbox or some new brake pads"


So sounds a contradiction to be punished for not using the gearbox really i agree.


Foccin instructor! :evil
[/quote]


IAM - "gears are for going brakes are for slowing" simples
[/quote]
Old school car talk which does not work with bikes  :rolleyes , one simple reason is because it takes longer to go down through the box when stopped on a bike than a car. The same which now applies to the sequentil gearbox in cars.
Dropping gears as you slow also maintains stability and means you are in the correct gear when you go to take off again, same applies to cornering.
If you follow a good rider through the bends on the road they never use their brakes unless they have to.

[apage16]

[quote author=apage16 link=topic=6412.msg113271#msg113271 date=1384504890]
Dropped it!  :'(

Thankfully I fitted the engine bars just last week. So no real damage.  8)

phew!!

can i ask where you got the engine bars from? only place i can find em is on the wemoto site.think its a good idea to fit them as im planning to ride over the winter

oh,and i ordered a Beowulf carbon fibre sleeved exhaust with baffles that you take out on 'track day's'  :evil
[/quote]

Yeah. I used a few choice words when she was on her side.

The bars are the genuine Yamaha ones, same as Fazersharp has. See this thread for a pic and a part number.

Very discreet. And now tested!

I got them from a German company. 'Beinert Zweirad'. Google them.  They were just over €70 delivered. And yes, t that's Euros not pounds! And they're brand new in Yamaha packaging! Take that Renntec!!

[fazersharp]

Hey glad that you got them ok. And glad they did the job already, (not glad you droped it ) but at least you did it the right way around cause I got mine because i droped it about 10 years ago now. 

[nick crisp]

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Dropping gears as you slow also maintains stability and means you are in the correct gear when you go to take off again, same applies to cornering.
If you follow a good rider through the bends on the road they never use their brakes unless they have to.

Agreed. Braking hard into corners loads the suspension, and then the bike needs a moment to settle before committing. Engine braking allows for a smoother corner entry if done correctly, and then you have more go on tap when you see the exit. In reality on the road, you'd probably use a bit of both.

[fazersharp]

On the engine braking thing ---doesn't anyone "blip the throttle while you are changing down when the clutch is in as that adds speed to the engine and reduces the braking a little and makes the whole thing of changing down a lot smother and means somtimes you dont even have to use the brakes

[pilgo]

Hey glad that you got them ok. And glad they did the job already, (not glad you droped it ) but at least you did it the right way around cause I got mine because i droped it about 10 years ago now.

can you put up a piccie of them on,i could spend all night looking for it otherwise!!  :lol

ive already spent over £350 on bits for the bike today-exhaust,decent rain cover,double bubble screen,yoke protector and scottoiler engine protection spray stuff.bloody expensive this biking  malarky  :eek

[fazersharp]

here http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,1655....l#msg95874

and a little down that page  here http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,1655....#msg110129

If your tyres have NO chicken strips then they can touch down if the road camber is steep

[nick crisp]

On the engine braking thing ---doesn't anyone "blip the throttle while you are changing down when the clutch is in as that adds speed to the engine and reduces the braking a little and makes the whole thing of changing down a lot smother and means somtimes you dont even have to use the brakes

Yeah, been doing that all my riding career so I don't really think about it now - I just do it. Just feels right.

[fazersharp]

[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=6412.msg113411#msg113411 date=1384549310]
On the engine braking thing ---doesn't anyone "blip the throttle while you are changing down when the clutch is in as that adds speed to the engine and reduces the braking a little and makes the whole thing of changing down a lot smother and means somtimes you dont even have to use the brakes

Yeah, been doing that all my riding career so I don't really think about it now - I just do it. Just feels right.
[/quote]I think that is the bit that nay-sayers about engine braking are missing as -yes without the tecnique engine braking can be quite severe and can even lead to a skid.
Does the tecnique have a name ?

[Dave48]

Pilgo-dont know if this is any use to you -I ordered a set of Fehling engine protector bars from Paul Smeetons "Bits for Bikes" on ebay @ £74-95 & p&p. They came with replacement engine bolts, nyloc nuts,washers,clamps etc.-all good quality. Only downside-the parts list was all in German-but I like a challenge! They look the business without being ugly or intrusive-IMO much better bet than relying on bungs that can act like a pivot in event of a tumble. Ordered one day-received 1st thing next day

[Dave48]

Car practice years ago was to slow down through the gears but don't forget few carsback then had servos let alone disc brakes. Current  car practice as stated: Gears to go---Brakes to slow. Unfortunately bike gearboxes being sequential don't allow "Block Changing" but engine braking on most 4-stroke bikes is good. To avoid jerky changes leading to possible loss of traction, many riders "blip" the throttle coming down the box -in fact with practice & 2 finger braking you can declutch, change gear &, if needed apply front brake simultaneously  Who said men couldn't multitask!? :lol

[Doddsie]

Ive always blipped the throttle on down changes... not sure it makes me any smoother but f*ck it sounds good!!!

[fazersharp]

"blip" the throttle coming down the box -in fact with practice & 2 finger braking you can declutch, change gear &, if needed apply front brake simultaneously

Thats it - thats exactly what I do, and most of the time although I cover with more fingers I only use one to brake in those situ's
For me its abit like counter stearing I read about it once and thought "but thats what im doing" as I didnt know it was a "thing" and there was a name for it, it was somthing that I just did

[midden]

[quote author=Skippernick link=topic=6412.msg113386#msg113386 date=1384544877]
[quote author=noggythenog link=topic=6412.msg113348#msg113348 date=1384536145]
[quote author=JZS 600 link=topic=6412.msg113342#msg113342 date=1384534247]
Rospa was interesting, missed out on a gold, just,,,

I filtered to the front of a set of lights in front of a white van in a 30 section and the examiner said I could have put my self at risk if the van decided to race me, he siad he's seen it bofore and also braking down from a 70 to a 30 instead of using the engine. This contradicted what an IAM guy told me to do on an IDCAM a year ago so a bit annoyed at that.

Other than that, it was pretty relaxed really.

I did some driver training years ago & the one thing that i remember is that they did not condone slowing down using the gearbox, all on the brakes til the last minute, looking looking looking braking braking braking, see the gap, off the brakes, select the correct gear & then complete the move.


I remember the instructor saying "whats more expensive"" a new gearbox or some new brake pads"


So sounds a contradiction to be punished for not using the gearbox really i agree.


Foccin instructor! :evil
[/quote]


IAM - "gears are for going brakes are for slowing" simples
[/quote]
Old school car talk which does not work with bikes  :rolleyes , one simple reason is because it takes longer to go down through the box when stopped on a bike than a car. The same which now applies to the sequentil gearbox in cars.
Dropping gears as you slow also maintains stability and means you are in the correct gear when you go to take off again, same applies to cornering.
If you follow a good rider through the bends on the road they never use their brakes unless they have to.
[/quote]


Think it depends on whether it is an emergency stop or planned gradual reduction of speed with the latter using both brakes and gearbox with emphasis on brakes. but surely never without gears at all like the yank in this clip shows


How to Stop on a motorcycle

[fazersharp]

Well that vid was BORING I thought somthing was going to happen at any moment------I just wasted 10mins of my life
THANKS

[devilsyam]

fitted a carbon can

[ChristoT]

fitted a carbon can

You love your carbon, eh? Looks really good, especially with the SS swingarm!