How do I make my 600 fazer faster?????

[unfazed]

Fit a FZS1000 engine :lol

[nick crisp]

Fit a FZS1000 engine :lol

Then put a blower on it and some nitrous. Then, if you wind up in hospital cos it was all too much you can have a laugh with the nitrous still  :lol

[marksfazer]

Buy a red one, they are always faster than the others  :lol

[nick crisp]

fit a turbo....

Seriously though, without spending big money and then having to spend more upgrading suspension etc then it's really not worth it. Small gains can be had, as mentioned already, by k&n air filter and a decent exhaust but the bhp gain is tiny, a few bhp at best. After said mods my bike definately rides smoother and seems to pick up speed better but that may all be in my head and because it sounds nicer then it feels faster...

Spend your money on a few track days/tuition or on a bigger/faster bike.

Chris

I would only say that it would be worth it if you're really in to tuning and have mega bucks to throw at it! This tuning game is all very addictive. Once you change the cams, you'll find out, well this mod would make that one work better, and then, well, I need to do this mod to make that right, and then....! But if it's your only bike, then getting a faster bike in the first place is the best way to go. I agree with all the comments that the manufacturers spend a lot of money getting their bikes right, and few if anyone else can do as good a job as they do.
If sheer speed is your thing, get into drag racing. £££££££££££££!!

[red98]

Buy a red one, they are always faster than the others  :lol

ohhhhhhhhhhh...at last.......the first sensible answer.

[nick crisp]

[quote author=marksfazer link=topic=755.msg94962#msg94962 date=1376736449]
Buy a red one, they are always faster than the others  :lol

ohhhhhhhhhhh...at last.......the first sensible answer.
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So are you saying you bought a slow gen 1 thou?  :lol

[red98]

[quote author=red98 link=topic=755.msg94980#msg94980 date=1376742552]
[quote author=marksfazer link=topic=755.msg94962#msg94962 date=1376736449]
Buy a red one, they are always faster than the others  :lol

ohhhhhhhhhhh...at last.......the first sensible answer.
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So are you saying you bought a slow gen 1 thou?  :lol
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oh dear another[size=78%] foccer who dos`nt know the rules.....i have explained this more than once[/size] :rolleyes [/size][size=78%],if you have a 600 then RED is the fastest colour .....the rules change with the 1000 due to the extra capacity...silver being the fastest for the thou.......as for all you yellow foccers....you have the slowest bikes as yellow is the colour of custard and i have never seen a serving of apple crumble and custard at speed..........simples [/size]

[mr self destruct]

Haven't looked at your link yet, but will when I have more time. I read that high lift cams work better with forced induction. Is this just an obvious thing or are there particular reasons for that?

Less overlap between inlet and exhaust valves mate.
I know on a classic VW Beetle engine the angle between the inlet and exhaust lobes are 108 degrees, but with a turbo spec cam they're 112 to separate the timing a bit and reduce overlap.
They do loads of performance cams for those cars ranging from mild street with high lift but limited duration (particularly for campers), to all out race with loads of both.

[nick crisp]

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[quote author=red98 link=topic=755.msg94980#msg94980 date=1376742552]
[quote author=marksfazer link=topic=755.msg94962#msg94962 date=1376736449]
Buy a red one, they are always faster than the others  :lol

ohhhhhhhhhhh...at last.......the first sensible answer.
[/quote]

So are you saying you bought a slow gen 1 thou?  :lol
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oh dear another[size=78%] foccer who dos`nt know the rules.....i have explained this more than once[/size] :rolleyes [size=78%],if you have a 600 then RED is the fastest colour .....the rules change with the 1000 due to the extra capacity...silver being the fastest for the thou.......as for all you yellow foccers....you have the slowest bikes as yellow is the colour of custard and i have never seen a serving of apple crumble and custard at speed..........simples [/size]
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You've never seen me eat apple crumble and custard then - can I have another helping please... :lol

[red98]

[quote author=red98 link=topic=755.msg94987#msg94987 date=1376743637]
[quote author=nick crisp link=topic=755.msg94982#msg94982 date=1376742843]
[quote author=red98 link=topic=755.msg94980#msg94980 date=1376742552]
[quote author=marksfazer link=topic=755.msg94962#msg94962 date=1376736449]
Buy a red one, they are always faster than the others  :lol

ohhhhhhhhhhh...at last.......the first sensible answer.
[/quote]

So are you saying you bought a slow gen 1 thou?  :lol
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oh dear another[size=78%] foccer who dos`nt know the rules.....i have explained this more than once[/size] :rolleyes [size=78%],if you have a 600 then RED is the fastest colour .....the rules change with the 1000 due to the extra capacity...silver being the fastest for the thou.......as for all you yellow foccers....you have the slowest bikes as yellow is the colour of custard and i have never seen a serving of apple crumble and custard at speed..........simples [/size]
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You've never seen me eat apple crumble and custard then - can I have another helping please... :lol
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:lol :lol :lol

[nick crisp]

So, just to recap what we've learned here today:
If you want to go faster, ride a red bike (silver if it's a thou), whilst breathing in nitrous oxide and rapidly eating apple crumble and custard. Now why didn't I think of that?  :lol
I hope this has all been of help to the op?

[unfazed]

[quote author=unfazed link=topic=755.msg94958#msg94958 date=1376735217]
Fit a FZS1000 engine :lol

Then put a blower on it and some nitrous. Then, if you wind up in hospital cos it was all too much you can have a laugh with the nitrous still  :lol
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:rollin :rollin :rollin

[nick crisp]

A higher lift but equal duration cam gives engines more low end torque, as a rule it's the duration and overlap that give an engine more top end power.

I can't get my head around why this should be. Can you give a fairly simple explanation for a very simple person?  :rolleyes :lol
Or do I need a degree in Physics/engineering? :book :eek

[stevierst]

Its all about valve opening timing. The more overlap you get, the more air/fuel you get in, and the bigger the bang (but only when the air speed onto/out of the cylinder reaches a higher velocity) hence higher revs.
Less overlap, but wider valve opening is making use of the slower air velocity at lower revs, producing more torque. Its a fine line, but its one that works. simplisticly complicated springs to mind!

[reillypadraig]

Simply put high lift cams just leave the intake valve open for slightly longer on each stroke to take in slightly more fuel air mix, which in turn gives more grunt but like already said its a fine line,

Afaik this can be put to better use and get better results on a fuel injected engine that can be mapped but that's neither here nor there

[nick crisp]

Valves open for longer = longer duration, not high lift? Although I imagine lobes would be profiled for a bit of both.

[mr self destruct]

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A higher lift but equal duration cam gives engines more low end torque, as a rule it's the duration and overlap that give an engine more top end power.

I can't get my head around why this should be. Can you give a fairly simple explanation for a very simple person?  :rolleyes :lol
Or do I need a degree in Physics/engineering? :book :eek
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This:

Its all about valve opening timing. The more overlap you get, the more air/fuel you get in, and the bigger the bang (but only when the air speed onto/out of the cylinder reaches a higher velocity) hence higher revs. Less overlap, but wider valve opening is making use of the slower air velocity at lower revs, producing more torque. Its a fine line, but its one that works. simplisticly complicated springs to mind!

At higher revs, the flow of burnt gas (which is a fluid and has mass & momentum like anything else) out of the exhaust port helps drag the fuel/air mixture in the intake port.

This is also true at lower revs, but the help it gives the incoming gas is fish piss in the sea. To get round this, a high lift, short duration cam allows more mixture in in the same amount of time as a standard cam. Obviously then the valves have to lift faster due to the steep ramp on the cam lobe, and this causes a problem at higher revs as mentioned earlier in the thread.

Simply put high lift cams just leave the intake valve open for slightly longer on each stroke to take in slightly more fuel air mix, which in turn gives more grunt but like already said its a fine line,

Afaik this can be put to better use and get better results on a fuel injected engine that can be mapped but that's neither here nor there

Not quite. A high lift cam opens the valve by a greater amount for the same duration, a higher duration cam opens the valve for more time. Its getting the right combination of the two for vehicle's purpose that's the trick. 

[mr self destruct]

Valves open for longer = longer duration, not high lift? Although I imagine lobes would be profiled for a bit of both.

They are. Most standard road going engines are a compromise between torque, power and fuel economy.
If you want to go offroading for example, you'll need an engine cammed for low end torque with high lift and short duration, and a full-on drag race engine will need a high lift, long duration cam that simply will not tick over at anything less than 2k rpm! 

[stevierst]

In other words for more power as a road bike, get a bigger engine! :

'conventional' tuning for the road just ain't worth the effort (and massive ammount of cash).
Now then, this turbo charging malarkey.............. 8)

[unfazed]

That waht I said, fit a FZS1000 engine  :lol