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Camchain replacement
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29-07-13, 06:58 PM
Does anyone know how much roughly it would cost a garage to replace the cam chain and tensioner? I'm not sure if mine is about to go onto the next click or something because it comes and goes every few hundred miles but its getting a bit louder than usual on startup currently. I've done a few things myself like refurbing forks and stuff but I'm not sure if I'm confident doing this job myself. Will a complete chain cost a lot more to fit? What are the benefits?
29-07-13, 10:10 PM
What mileage is on you bike?
A complete cam chain means a major engine strip down as you need to lift out the crank to get the chain on and you cannot just seperate the crankcases as two of the crankcase bolts are under the barrel  . A split chain from an engine point of view is just the carburettors, alternator cover and cam cover and cam chain tensioner off first and then the plugs and cams out. Split the chain and attached the new chain to the split link. With your third hand, turn the engine over holding the chain tightly and feeding it through. Install the cams, join the chain, check the cam timing, install the tensioner, check cam timing again. Replace the cam covers, alternator cover and carburettors.Max time about 6 hours for a split chain :eek (a very good mechanic could probably do it in 4  )
29-07-13, 10:35 PM
(29-07-13, 10:10 PM)unfazed link Wrote: What mileage is on you bike? Hi when you say attach the new chain to the split link how best would i do that?
29-07-13, 11:31 PM
(29-07-13, 10:10 PM)unfazed link Wrote: What mileage is on you bike? My bike has almost 24k on it at the moment, but it's very standard and still has the standard exhaust can so all engine noises are easier to hear. Definitely cam chain though in my opinion, its on the left side and sounds like the vids I've watched of very bad examples just not quite as loud and goes away after a few miles of riding. The split chain seems like a much more hassle free option, although I still wouldn't tackle it myself. I understand the principles of it but experience and tools wise I would be worried that some unforeseen circumstance would pop up at a critical point and bugger me. I'll leave it for a bit and if the noise still gets worse I'll start getting some quotes from garages I think. Do you have to replace the tensioner too? Also what are the differences between a split link and complete cam chain, obviously complete will be stronger but is there a huge difference? Have any split ones been recorded to fail?
30-07-13, 12:42 AM
Highly unlikely the chain is gone yet, could be a valve clearances out of specification. It is due a valve check at 26,000miles (42,000Km), why not check it now and put you mind at ease and it is easy to check the condition of the chain then also. It is a relatively easy job to do.
A properly joined split chain is just as strong as a complete chain. When the rivit is peened over the side plate cannot come off. I know some will always go the complete chain route, but it is a personal choice. The pull is straight accross the rivit and as it cannot bend to allow the plate to slip off. I have only heard of one split chain break ever and that was becasue the "mechanic" damaged the rivit using a small cold chisel to peen the rivit and put a crack in it which weakened it. I have never actually heard of a Fazer 600 tensioners fail and does not usually need replacing. However there are always exceptions and when it is off it is very easy to dismantle it and check it. They may stick on bikes which are not used to often or from neglected oil changes 
30-07-13, 11:18 AM
(29-07-13, 10:10 PM)unfazed link Wrote: What mileage is on you bike? I had a split chain fitted a few years back and vaguely remember the bill being around the £200 mark which would suggest about 4hrs labour at the time.
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30-07-13, 04:52 PM
[/quote] I had a split chain fitted a few years back and vaguely remember the bill being around the £200 mark which would suggest about 4hrs labour at the time. [/quote] I need to get mine done ASAP, any idea where I can purchase a split chain on online? I have been looking for the last hour or so and can't find one. I would like a DID or equivalent if possible.
30-07-13, 04:56 PM
I had a split chain fitted a few years back and vaguely remember the bill being around the £200 mark which would suggest about 4hrs labour at the time. I need to get mine done ASAP, any idea where I can purchase a split chain on online? I have been looking for the last hour or so and can't find one. I would like a DID or equivalent if possible. Don't think you'll find a D.I.D. one, as His Dudeness has been searching for one with no luck that i know of? Wemoto will probably sort you out the quickest.
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I had a split chain fitted a few years back and vaguely remember the bill being around the £200 mark which would suggest about 4hrs labour at the time. I need to get mine done ASAP, any idea where I can purchase a split chain on online? I have been looking for the last hour or so and can't find one. I would like a DID or equivalent if possible. QUOTE http://www.yamahascooterspares.co.uk/spa...1.25&uid=0 i just ordered that one. Not sure how long it will take to get here though, it says normally dispatched within 3 days on the site.
30-07-13, 07:07 PM
I bought mine from Wemoto http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_6..._sp/02-03/ and have found them very helful and goood to deal with.
Scroll down to the engine section, Chain is supplied complete and you need to order the soft link seperately. (30-07-13, 07:07 PM)unfazed link Wrote: I bought mine from Wemoto http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_6..._sp/02-03/ and have found them very helful and goood to deal with. is the one on wemoto now an open chain? or did u buy the endless and split it? EDIT: just saw it was endless. How dodgey is it to buy an endless cam chain and split it and then use a rivet link instead of paying £15 more for an open chain? 
30-07-13, 07:51 PM
The last one I did was about 350 quid all in and I never fit split chains.
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30-07-13, 08:49 PM
Bought the endless one, split it and used the split link to rejoin it.
Deefer666, out of curosity, how did you manage to do it for that price? :eek Parts alone would come to close to £200 and add labour to that. You must have a queue wating at your door with prices like that.
31-07-13, 04:08 PM
I've had no luck at all trying to find an open chain with a rivet link anywhere including all the reccomendations on here :'(
Actually found a DID one in my shed (was a spare for the blackbird) and I checked out the specs, same length @ 130 links, same pitch@ 6.35 but inner width was different - so feck that anyway! Any ideas where else I can try? I tried fleabay, Wemoto, AJ Sutton etc. but to no avail. Cheers, Gar
31-07-13, 04:16 PM
(31-07-13, 04:08 PM)garyb link Wrote: I've had no luck at all trying to find an open chain with a rivet link anywhere including all the reccomendations on here :'( Fowlers of Bristol.......you'll need your chassis number at hand. http://www.fowlers.co.uk/parts/from_fowlers_web.shtml
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31-07-13, 04:33 PM
I bought an endless one and split it, joined it with a rivet link. Wemoto were doing the DID one when I got mine but now just seem to do Tourmax.
Don't see any difference in buying an open or splitting an endles, comes apart surprisingly easy. Bit to take care with is riveting it back together, I was happy with the result with mine and could hardley tell my link from the others. I still recomend : one block hammer, one punie hammer and a punch, saves hitting it where you dont want to, you only hit where the punch is 
Wemoto definitely do them, Fowlers only do genuine complete chains
Address http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_600_fazer_sp/02-03/ same chain for all models from 98 to 03 See pics, you need to scroll to the engine section and add 1 chain and 1 link as shown then add to basket and checkout.
31-07-13, 06:03 PM
(31-07-13, 04:08 PM)garyb link Wrote: I've had no luck at all trying to find an open chain with a rivet link anywhere including all the reccomendations on here :'( here's an open chain with rivet link, bit more expensive. http://yamahascooterspares.co.uk/spares/...0-03&uid=0
31-07-13, 06:34 PM
here's an open chain with rivet link, bit more expensive.
http://yamahascooterspares.co.uk/spares/...0-03&uid=0 [/quote] Cheers mate. I was on to Paul in AJ this morning about that item and after checking, he confirmed it wasn't in stock ad couldn't give me a lead time when they would have it again. The search continues! Thanks anyway
31-07-13, 06:50 PM
Wemoto don't have did ones in the 92rh2010x130 size and I don't think they have id ones either. They also don't have rivet links for did or id chains. Maybe they will in the future but they don't atm. I couldn't find a did anywhere so I ordered the did/id/borg warner one a few days ago that Dcock stuck up there from the aj site. Got an email from them after I ordered it saying they didn't have any in stock so I'll have to wait until they get them in
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