Filtering

[Slaninar]

[quote author=dBfazer600 link=topic=9012.msg89639#msg89639 date=1374537783]
Do you and how long did it take you to filter with confidence and what are your do's & don'ts

Yes, I do it, I always have done, but that's because whilst I've only been riding a motorbike for about 6 years, I've been cycling for most of my life :-)

I like to get up front and put the bike and myself in front of any other vehicle to show my intention as I have been in a position when cage drivers will try and race me with little success but try and force me over. They do not like a bike progressing.

I wouldn't recommend that, it's aggressive and can lead to problems (as you've noticed). I prefer to filter up to the gap behind the first car stopped at traffic lights etc and then wait for the lights to change. If they've seen you and wait, then go ahead and give them a nice "thank you" wave, otherwise look for an opportunity to pass them a bit later.

Remember that, if it's on zig-zag lines, it's illegal to overtake ie have your front wheel cross the line of their front wheels, so don't do that.
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I regularly move to the first place at traffic lights. The logic is that motorcycle is a lot faster at start, so I won't slow people down - as if I wasn't there at all. If I stay behind the first car, I'm making a queue (AND skipping it   ).  So it is fairer to get there first, fly off (checking left and right for idiots going for "almost green still").

Of course, I do so when it is safe. Not always.



One question: how has this worked out for London so far?

"The advanced stop line (ASL) into the area designated for cyclists. London boroughs have recently started enforcing this!"


Is it a smart idea, or is it a pain in the neck. Asking because I would never stop in front of cars at a traffic light while on a bicycle. Would slow them down. Stay at the side, behind the first car, but never in front.  Does it make traffic move better, safer, or is it a bother?

[nick crisp]

I'm a little more nervous about filtering since being taken out that way. It hasn't stopped me, but I'm real careful. If your job is riding in the city like yours, Stig, it's much more understandable as you'd never get the work done if you didn't. M25 is where I'm most nervous filtering! Still do it tho, just with care.

[Arfa]

One question: how has this worked out for London so far?

"The advanced stop line (ASL) into the area designated for cyclists. London boroughs have recently started enforcing this!"

Is it a smart idea, or is it a pain in the neck. Asking because I would never stop in front of cars at a traffic light while on a bicycle. Would slow them down. Stay at the side, behind the first car, but never in front.  Does it make traffic move better, safer, or is it a bother?

TBH, all I've heard and seen thus far is PCO's handing out leaflets informing offenders (bikers and car drivers) they will in the future be fined for crossing the ASL. I don't necessarily agree with it, and it does make things very awkward. As mentioned above, the best option is to probably not aim for the front of the queue, but for one car back. If you can't get in front of the lead car, safely and without going to far forward, it's going to lead to some sticky situations being sat beside a lead vehicle when the lights go green.

Personally, I think they should cut the ASL cycle box in half, cyclists left half, motorcycles right half. I am glad their fining cars/vans etc, these should definitely not cross the ASL.

As it happens, about 50% of cyclists I see ignore the cycle box anyway and either balance as far forward as possible waiting to dive between to the opposing traffic, with no regard to the red light.

[nick crisp]

If they're going to fine motorists/motorcyclists for breaking the rules, then they need a major clampdown on cyclists who do. I know it's a generalisation, but cyclists seem to think they can do any bloody thing. Course it's always somebody else's fault if they get knocked off :rolleyes

[Grahamm]

I regularly move to the first place at traffic lights. The logic is that motorcycle is a lot faster at start, so I won't slow people down - as if I wasn't there at all. If I stay behind the first car, I'm making a queue (AND skipping it   ).  So it is fairer to get there first, fly off (checking left and right for idiots going for "almost green still").

Of course, I do so when it is safe. Not always.

Fair enough. My post was based on IAM guidelines and avoids the idiots who think that Amber means "go" or problems such as you accidentally bogging down when you pull away and having someone run into you from behind.

"The advanced stop line (ASL) into the area designated for cyclists. London boroughs have recently started enforcing this!"

Is it a smart idea, or is it a pain in the neck. Asking because I would never stop in front of cars at a traffic light while on a bicycle. Would slow them down. Stay at the side, behind the first car, but never in front.  Does it make traffic move better, safer, or is it a bother?

I will, depending on circumstances "assertively position" myself in front of cars (eg if I'm turning right) or if there's traffic parked on the left just after the lights meaning that I'll have to try and merge into a moving stream of vehicles which are going faster because they've had time to accelerate from the lights.

[Davebo]

See here -> http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,8995.0.html

I don't usually commute and I haven't been past my DAS that long, but anyway was filtering like a good un the other morning. I must have passed 2 miles worth of traffic in and around Leeds. I was being courteous, taking it easy and all that. Lots of cars / vans / trucks / buses moved over. (Thanks). Just the 2 jokers that spoilt it.

Anyhoo, I was mostly along the centre line between 2 lanes and noticed the back end was well lively over white lines, cats eyes, rubbish concrete joints, etc. heart in the mouth stuff when you've got vehicles either side.

DBo.

[Slaninar]

If they're going to fine motorists/motorcyclists for breaking the rules, then they need a major clampdown on cyclists who do. I know it's a generalisation, but cyclists seem to think they can do any bloody thing. Course it's always somebody else's fault if they get knocked off :rolleyes

When on a bicycle:

A yield sign = what it says.
A stop sign = a yield sign.
A green light = a yield sign.
A red light = a yield sign.

That's how I behave. Neve had any problems, except when considering green light as a go sign, instead of a yield sign. Some cagers don't like it, but I don't care, as long as I don't get fined. I DO make sure not to give any trouble to anyone - don't run in front of cars, do it only when it is free from crossing traffic. I even make sure not to scare the crossing traffic: if I can fly by before they arrive, I never do it because it will make them scared, perhaps brake or swerve. But when the traffic is clear... like I said: red light is a yield sign on a bicycle.

Fair enough. My post was based on IAM guidelines and avoids the idiots who think that Amber means "go" or problems such as you accidentally bogging down when you pull away and having someone run into you from behind.



I will, depending on circumstances "assertively position" myself in front of cars (eg if I'm turning right) or if there's traffic parked on the left just after the lights meaning that I'll have to try and merge into a moving stream of vehicles which are going faster because they've had time to accelerate from the lights.

Makes sense. I move in front but stay to the side of the car when possible - so they can move past me in the same lane. Do it on the motorcycle, wouldn't do it otherwise on a bicycle. Just to be safe.

[nick crisp]

Slaninar, why would you not stop for a red light if riding on the road? A red light is an IMPERATIVE for ALL traffic. Also see far too many cyclists coming to a red light and just bombing over the pavement, scaring the life out of pedestrians. I know it's not ALL cyclists, but as with thoughtless motorcyclists, it gives the rest of you a bad name.

[Slaninar]

Slaninar, why would you not stop for a red light if riding on the road?

Because nobody is coming across - why wait?

A red light is an IMPERATIVE for ALL traffic.

But if I don't get fined, AND don't cause any harm - who cares. 

Also see far too many cyclists coming to a red light and just bombing over the pavement, scaring the life out of pedestrians. I know it's not ALL cyclists, but as with thoughtless motorcyclists, it gives the rest of you a bad name.

I don't sweat about that much. "Haters gonna hate" as they say. Stereotypes and so can't be avoided - some like (motor)cycles, some hate them. This morning at the bank, a very nice female clerk was explaining how she was scared of motorcycles and how she doesn't like 'em. I said that I'm nice and she shouldn't fear.    :rolleyes          :lol

[seangee]

I once stopped at a red light in a bus / cycle lane in London. I don't usually jump red lights on a bicycle but on this occasion there was no reason for me to stop - except for the bike cop stopped at the lights. He looked over, nodded at me and said "Don't be silly - get on your way"

[fireblake]

When driving my truck if its safe to do so I drive down the centre line and keep as close to centre refuge areas as possible, the amount of debris that comes up is amazing. I do the same when it snows too, trying to keep the bits the bikes use clear of grit building up. You can do this in cars too.


Mickey

[Simon.Pieman]

I wouldn't recommend that, it's aggressive and can lead to problems (as you've noticed). I prefer to filter up to the gap behind the first car stopped at traffic lights etc and then wait for the lights to change. If they've seen you and wait, then go ahead and give them a nice "thank you" wave,

In London you really don't want to do that, instead filter to the front and if you get there early in the traffic lights phase and there is room before the pedestrians bit, manouvre your bike on front of one of the cars at the head of the queue, this allows other bikers to filter to the front and get in 'pole position' as it were. I know this might sound aggressive and maybe it shouldn't be reccomended, but bikers in London do it anyway and cagers are resigned to it.

[Arfa]

The only other issue with being aggressive and filtering right to the front, is if you are prompt in setting off as the light change, watch out for other cars jumping the red light and crossing in front of you! I've now got into the habit of doing a double take left/right, before flooring it. Loads of times I've done this but the scooter boy beside me has just hammered it and narrowly missed a red light jumper!

It may piss off those behind you, but it's better to hesitate on setting off, than have to put the anchors on half way across the junction and have the car behind up your ass

[notoriusb.e.n]

Being a derbyshire/yorkshire dales kinda rider  (country bumpkin) I don't have much cause to, but on trips into sheffield/york etc its pretty much a given or you sit there marinating in your kit. Practice practice practice, but never put yourself out of your comfort zone - and NEVER assume that they have seen you. Don't go any faster than you can stop in a hurry and be prepared for right turns/uturns out of nowhere.

I have to give massive props to the london riders out there that filter as they must have their testicles surgically enlarged to fight through that mobile carpark the M25 and the inner city traffic.

[mr self destruct]

If they're going to fine motorists/motorcyclists for breaking the rules, then they need a major clampdown on cyclists who do. I know it's a generalisation, but cyclists seem to think they can do any bloody thing. Course it's always somebody else's fault if they get knocked off :rolleyes

Unfortunately, cyclists can pretty much get away with anything, seeing how there's no way to positively identify them.

[Davebo]

DNA testing from the blood you scrape up ?  :eek

[quote author=nick crisp link=topic=9012.msg89876#msg89876 date=1374613380]
If they're going to fine motorists/motorcyclists for breaking the rules, then they need a major clampdown on cyclists who do. I know it's a generalisation, but cyclists seem to think they can do any bloody thing. Course it's always somebody else's fault if they get knocked off :rolleyes

Unfortunately, cyclists can pretty much get away with anything, seeing how there's no way to positively identify them.
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[mr self destruct]

DNA testing from the blood you scrape up ?  :eek

[/size]Might have to, dental records won't help once I've finished with the fuckers. [size=78%]

[chaz]

I was filtering leading up to a roundabout the car on my right moved over so I had to move and was hit by the car on my left, my leg and arm/hand took the impact so no damage to the bike, the cars mirror folded back, so no damage there, so quite lucky all told

[alexanderfitu]

I was filtering leading up to a roundabout the car on my right moved over so I had to move and was hit by the car on my left, my leg and arm/hand took the impact so no damage to the bike, the cars mirror folded back, so no damage there, so quite lucky all told

Always got to be careful when filtering up to junctions/roundabouts etc, as cars often change lanes at the last minute as you know!

I tend to slide back in line with traffic, 5-6 cars early when filtering down in that situation

[Grahamm]

[quote author=nick crisp link=topic=9012.msg89931#msg89931 date=1374652667]
Slaninar, why would you not stop for a red light if riding on the road?

Because nobody is coming across - why wait? [/quote]

Because whenver I or any other cyclist get into discussions of the subject with other on the internet or Councils or others start considering cycling safety etc it's the cyclists who ignore red lights that get brought up and the rest of us get tarred with the same brush.

And it's all very well saying "nothing was coming across" apart from the time when you didn't spot that someone *was* coming across...