So who would you ban from using the NHS?

[demic77]

1. Pissed up (and sober for that matter) idiots who choose to kick off on A&E/Ambulance staff. 3 strikes and you're out.2. Those who earn shitloads and can afford to pay, don't ban 'em but make 'em contribute to the cost of treatment.
3. Health care "tourists" who come over specifically for free treatment.

[Tori]

I'm classed as obese, I've paid tax since I was 15, so I'm not entitled? Being self employed I've probably paid more tax than alot my age.

People who are housebound (seriously obese) are mostly relying on feeders surely? Those are the people that should pay for their treatment

[bri h]

I spent three years working as a health care assistant on the intensive care ward of broadmoor hospital. thats right folks its a hospital paid for and run /staffed by your nhs. I wont bore you with the details but people diagnosed with a personality disorder cannot be treated with drugs. It goes without saying that many of the most violent murders rapists and child molesters are kept there at great expense. would this be a good time to open a new thread on bringing back the death penalty for those can never be let out because there is no treatment for their conditions or to qoute billy conolly are they more to be pitied than scolded?

[Razgruff]

Why wait for a death penalty?
Why not just start up a new eugenics program,
they were going quite well here and the states until that silly Mr Hitler guy went and started all that bad publicity for them.
I mean we have a better knowledge of genetics now than we did then, we could prevent a lot of expense with early intervention.

I know a few on here would like the Chavs and Gipsies thinned out a bit.


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[bri h]

ha ha theres a few "service users " in there that would have got on very well with adolf.

[bri h]

Of course theres the "nature or nurture" debate. A lot of them have been horrifically abused themselves so are they born bad or has their abuser turned them into monsters :eek .

[goldfazer]

' Those who earn shitloads and can afford to pay, don't ban 'em but make 'em contribute to the cost of treatment

They already have - by paying 'shitloads' of tax + NI.  Had a similar coversation with a friend regarding paying for an MRI scan in an NHS hospital and he pointed out that one year he paid £700k in tax (yes, he's done better than me since school :lol ) !!

[Streetbudgie]

' Those who earn shitloads and can afford to pay, don't ban 'em but make 'em contribute to the cost of treatment

They already have - by paying 'shitloads' of tax + NI.  Had a similar coversation with a friend regarding paying for an MRI scan in an NHS hospital and he pointed out that one year he paid £700k in tax (yes, he's done better than me since school :lol ) !!

Seconded, the NHS was meant to be free at point of delivery, we all pay varying amounts according to our ability to pay but we do all pay.

Except for freeloading visitors who shouldn't be allowed beyond patch up and send home.

[Streetbudgie]

Of course theres the "nature or nurture" debate. A lot of them have been horrifically abused themselves so are they born bad or has their abuser turned them into monsters :eek .

Then throw religion in and it gets really confusing, old testament believers spout 'an eye for an eye' and new testament believers spout 'forgiveness for all'

Personally I'm not religious and I believe the punishment should fit the crime.

[Razgruff]

I think BH's point was
Can you punish somebody that is unaware they have committed a crime,

You have to understand the court proceedings to be able to be tried in court, if not. you just get some sort of sectioning.

I'm sure a legal bod will be along and explain it better.

[DILLIGAFF]

DAZ  Thanx mate. I lit the fuse just 10 minutes ago and Thunderbird one is currently preparing for blast off from my unsuspecting starfish.


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Wet wipes in the fridge on standby.

[bri h]

The thing is if somebody is dianosed as having a mental illness like schitsophenia they can be sectioned under the mental health act and treated in a secure hospital indeffinately.People with personality dissorders like psycopaths are not classed as mentaly ill so they are given a finite sentence. Most of the people in broadmoor have a dual diagnosis so they can be locked up untill a panel of doctors shrinks lawyer and a judge say there ok to go to a less secure unit.

[Tiberius Onklevaart]

I'm a legal bod, but only fire law. Anyone need fired?

[BIG MAC]

Can't be arsed reading the inbetweeny guff.
Foreign residents???? I intend to retire abroad and pay for my health care there ..because to the French I shall be foreign...seems fair...however after 34 years of paying National Insurance any fucker who thinks I am not entitled to NHS care should I choose to use it is on thin ice.
Not worked when able to for ten years? Thats most MPs
Mental health and the elderly...who the F do you think paid for the NHS...yes the same people some would exclude.
The overweight?.. maybe..if they had been offered and refused treatment (including prescribed diet and exercise)

So would would I ban from the NHS?...Useless managers..any manager that cannot demonstrate their contribution generating more than 40% of their prime cost  as clear health benefits should be shown the door.

Parasitic drug companies any charging more than 40% of their prime costs likewise.

Nick Knowles...he should stick to DIY programmes

[ddtwelve]

everyone so i can put my feet up and relax all day

[Jazz999]

everyone so i can put my feet up and relax all day

Likewise mate, would be a much better shift :-)

[VNA]

You gotta laugh when a bunch of bikers start discussion the end of universal health care in this country, and who should then in turn be allowed health care under what was known as the NHS and who should not.

Like I said it's Tory bait, such discussions, getting the proles to fight each other is just feeding us bait so we never really get a clear vision of what is really going on.

And the great bit about this, is that once you exclude one group, you look for the next, exclude them, then see what or who else you suck in, leave it for a wee while then throw the bait out again. 

Start down this path and I guarantee that it will not be long before those who choose to take risks and have an accident will be responsibly for the cost of their own health care - ie you - a biker.

So you now have two directions, exclusion and the introduction of partial insurance for those who take risks.  So having done the exclusions we can then work on extending the need for insurance.


Then of course who's gonna decide when it comes to the crunch who's gonna get health care amd who's gonna be shown the door having been told that they are not worth of care and that they can now fuck off and die.

That's quite helpful actually, as if you think about, if you wanna scrap universal health care and the NHS, well inevitably at some point the doctors and consultants will need to decide who they will help and who they tell to fuck off and die.  So the downsizing in staff will start to happen naturally after a while as all the smart people move out of health care and probably out of our sick little small minded backwards thinking stupid country.

[dBfazer600]

DAZ  Thanx mate. I lit the fuse just 10 minutes ago and Thunderbird one is currently preparing for blast off from my unsuspecting starfish.


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Wet wipes in the fridge on standby.

:rollin :rollin :rollin  I had a infection when I went in for my anal exploration and they gave me 2 choices. Have the procedure without pain relief or go home reschedule.

Choice was easy. I informed them to boldly go where no man has gone before as I was not going through the sudden collapse of my entire universe from my ass ever again.  :o :\

Note to all who may have to go through this procedure. Make sure your not the first in the for your appointment in the morning as you have to clear your bowls out in one sitting the night before but have a later appointment that alows the gentle movement.

Daz

[jon]

Anyone remotely religious.  Let them pray to their gods to heal them. Anyone that talks to invisible people that live in the sky needs sectioning anyway.

[Lawrence]

Why are so many people unwilling to take responsibility for themselves? Why do they expect to abuse their bodies to the extent that they require enormous amounts of NHS time & resources?

Because they don't need to.  Once you get to that stage, others will take over and do everything for you  :thumbup

2. Those who earn shitloads and can afford to pay, don't ban 'em but make 'em contribute to the cost of treatment.

We could take a percentage of what they earn every month.  Maybe call it something generic like National Insurance maybe?