Well I did live through her " reign"..and at first ( like new labour) it did seem a good choice for the country. TBH what was the credible alternative at the time ?..michael foot /neil kinnock.? She definitely won in on the surge of popularity maybe as much for a change and on the fact she was a woman and a leader. We all hoped for change which would help the many. Sadly as time went on the policies became more devisive, and the economic policies were crazy. Monetarism created ludicrous interest rates and the decimation of manufacturing and construction. I wont go into the politics here, just the results.The mantra of increasing interest rates to lower inflation is as daft as cutting budgets actually will reduce a deficcit. Its too blunt an instrument to cure a complex problem. Yes we all got the chance to buy our council houses etc, but it was a great gravy train where millions were missold mortgages which didnt pay off their capital, and so evidently became the decline of affordable social housing. Today we have an incredible situation where foreign cash is being used to buy up cheap houses and make them into private rentals,at sky high rates. I do wonder just what the source of that cash is ??..much comes from the indian sub continent ...
Like Blair she promised a lot but I dont feel that she has delivered any sort of promised land for Britain.As for this present government , well they ( tory) got 33% of the vote, so they are hardly a party for the majority. I despair if they get a full majority at the next election because we will see no doubt much more rampant policies which will make this government seem slightly benevolent to the masses.I predict by the next election our deficcit will still be sky high and the only cure the tories will campaign on is no doubt for more cuts !......There was actually one point in new labours reign when it did seem like this country was doing well, but it all now seems a dream !!
This thread sounds like a load of press mongers. People who have one opinion based on there own inability to put the rest of the world in perspective.
Maggie is but only one person in this world, not the worst kind of person. There are plenty of despots dead and still living to really warrant any bad news.
Im no politician, or religious nut, but i understand that bad things happen to all good and bad people of all walks of life. Havent heard of anyone bitchin about the 3 day week we suffered because of the miners striking and conserve coal to fuel power stations because of the lack of oil (1973 Oil crisis). Unfortunately, it was Labour that reaped the benefits that came to fruition when they came to power, and everyone thought it was Labours doing. And it took Labour's 3 terms to undo that to put us in the world we are in today.
At the end of the day, we are entitled to our opinions and to be honest do you think you can make a difference to what any Govt. does?
Anyway, no one will remember us when we are gone. But they remembered Maggie RIP
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(17-04-13, 11:21 PM)Razgruff link Wrote: Edward 1 v Margaret Thatcher
Who did most for Wales
Discuss :pokefun
Just passed this on to my daughter who is in the final year of a medieval studies degree and she said at least Edward 1st gave us Edward the 2nd 
He probably gave a few people syphilis as well
Smell ones mother. Yaas!
(19-04-13, 06:01 PM)evesdad link Wrote: [quote author=Razgruff link=topic=7316.msg70129#msg70129 date=1366237294]
Edward 1 v Margaret Thatcher
Who did most for Wales
Discuss :pokefun
Just passed this on to my daughter who is in the final year of a medieval studies degree and she said at least Edward 1st gave us Edward the 2nd
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Quote:I'm sure many of you that have commented here were not born when she came into power and are making comments from heresay/others opinions rather than actually experiencing what went on.
I'm old enougth to remember the Thatcher years, but those who aren't, well their opinion is valid also. Young, or younger people are living with Thatchers legacy. 9000 quid fees for education? Millions on the minimum wage and claiming benefits (in effect subsides for big companies)
And where does much of the benefit money go? Straight to the landlord - perhaps that's what Maggie was so keen on private property ownership.
Triple dip recession anybody. No industry - no quality jobs, no prospects.
We now have some worst housing stock in Europe, and not only that massive housing shortages too. I've got a mortgage, but I tell you I'd rather not.
She destroyed community and gave us individualism and greed. Crap poorly paid jobs for the working class, and sky high rates - want out, want an education, well that'll be 40 grand plus please.
So yes the opinion of those born after the Thatcher years is as valid as anybody elses.
Wasn't it Blair that introduced tuition fees for Uni?
(19-04-13, 08:13 PM)Tcat2001 link Wrote: Wasn't it Blair that introduced tuition fees for Uni?
shh, don't let facts get in the way of a rant..forum rules 101 
Silly me! Cheers mate. Been awhile a little out of practise!
(19-04-13, 08:13 PM)Tcat2001 link Wrote: Wasn't it Blair that introduced tuition fees for Uni? Was it not the lies of the Lib dems that got the cons elected due to the lies they promised to the youth that are student and our would be leaders?
Lets simply educate our future leaders how to manipulate the generations to come buy saying one thing then doing another.
Why do you not read all manifestos then try and tell me how the Lib dems went with the conservatives? As it is simply corrupted greed due to the fact that the labour and lib dems manifesto are mirror images that it baffles me why Lib Dem's went with Cons.
101 in the Thatcher years was 1 in 10 and that was for your information 1 in 10 unemployed and by your rational was acceptable. In my rational every one has the right to work.
Daz
She Ain't Exactly Pretty, She Ain't Exactly Small, Fourt'two Thirt'ninefiftysix
You Could Say She's Got It All.
The Thatchers........
The alcoholic husband, the racist daughter & the arms dealing son who has a personal fortune of £160 million and never paid a penny towards his own mums funeral because we're all going to pay for it instead with our tax's.
B4stards its a rich mans government .
I'm a student, and I don't see the problem with raising tuition fees to be honest - if you want something that is a serious investment in your future, then you should have to pay for it - when I graduate and start work I don't want to have to pay taxes towards a few million people who are studying some wishy-washy subject at uni because they just don't want to start work yet! You still don't have to pay any more up front so it really is a future investment, and statistically you're likely to end up in a much better paying job with a degree than without, allowing you to pay off your student loan. Even in the event that you don't end up in a better paying job, you don't have to pay it below a certain salary threshold (around 23k ish from what I can remember), and once you get to a certain age, the debt gets written off. I really don't see what the massive fuss was about this!
For what it's worth, I've had 7k a year of debt from the government (3.5 for tuition fees, and the rest for maintenance) for the three years of my undergraduate degree, and then I've used savings from previous jobs and a part time job to pay for most of the rest. Next year for my masters I'll be having to borrow about 9k to pay for my course, so I'll be leaving uni with roughly £30k of debt. Sounds a big investment, and it really is, but I'm confident that my degrees will allow me to earn more than I would otherwise have throughout my lifetime!
@JoeRock, no disrespect mate, but when you get out into the non-student world that £30k of debt is going to cripple you in ways you can't even imagine.
I started out with only £5k of debt and it screwed me for several years, I shudder to think what 30 would do.
I've got closer to 40k but its manageable. Partly I think due to my location. Although the education itself was free as a result of the location and the debt is through student loans over the years
Smell ones mother. Yaas!
I never did further education, no, just went to work,like all my kids, this student load malarky, well it is a bit worrying,,mum !!! lend me some money,Dad ,lend me a tenner,.Poor students, now there are limited jobs too, how do they get to pay the loan off?.
An ageing test pilot for home grown widgets that may fail at anytime.
wise up..tuition fees have always been there. My university course was over £3k a year back in 1980. BUT the government paid them as I was a poor student. Now the students have to pay them.Is this progress?....its discrimination against the poor.I do feel very sorry for any student saddled with that level of debt before they start.
Someone said we cant change anything - UTTER TOSH ! ...you have a vote ...USE IT ! We are saddled with this government because people didnt vote last election. Apathy will be the demise of us all.I dont care what you say about labour, they would have come up with a " masses friendly" package to reduce the deficcit , which has to focus around growth and regeneration, not just cutting budgets.
I do place maggie as almost in the category of despot. She thought she was right , wouldnt change, whatever . Hitler was the same...any historian will agree that ultimately he lost the war, and caused his own demise , all by himself as he never listened to advice or took account of the misery he caused his nation....now who does that sound like eh ?
The few never seem to take account of the feelings of the many .....is that democracy ?
Yes , well there is another thing, who do you vote for in the next election,,?
Are they all the same, or just passing the problems around, never seen a poor politician, they are there just for themselves.Labour are telling the country,"lets borrow more money to kick start the economy" who is right, only time tells if the policies a faulty.
An ageing test pilot for home grown widgets that may fail at anytime.
(20-04-13, 10:37 PM)Chillum link Wrote: @JoeRock, no disrespect mate, but when you get out into the non-student world that £30k of debt is going to cripple you in ways you can't even imagine.
I started out with only £5k of debt and it screwed me for several years, I shudder to think what 30 would do.
Was that a student loan though fella, and if so, did you start H.E between 1990 and 1997? As I started mine a lot later than that my loan has no effect on my credit rating, so really doesn't play that big a part at all. If I don't end up in a well paying job (over £21k) then I don't pay it back either, and if after 30 years I've not paid it all back then it gets cancelled.
For me, because of the nature of the work I want to enter I'm assuming that I will end up paying it back, but it is extremely unlikely that I won't earn £30k more over the course of my lifetime with a degree than without it (just because I can't enter my planned place of work without one!) What I pay back over a year is basically 9% of my salary after 21k. So If I'm on say £31k, then i have to pay £900 of my loan back, about £75 a month. The only time it will make life a bit more difficult is if I emigrate (which I'm planning on doing for a year or two after uni to teach scuba diving) as the payment threshold is quite a bit lower in most other countries, so what I'd probably end up doing is asking the company I work for to instead of giving me a higher salary, pay for my rent or similar instead, so that my salary is less and I don't lose as much from my student loan repayments on it whilst I'm not in a well paying job!
Won't it affect you getting a mortgage or loan if you needed it? Because that's what happened to me, and it was late 80's early 90's. Part student loan, part regular loan so I guess it's not a complete like for like, but I would have thought it would affect you getting further credit.
Has no bearing whatsoever on credit. I'm looking at mortgages just now and the credit report says nothing of student debt
Smell ones mother. Yaas!
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