The Iron Lady R.I.P.

[mtread]

There's too many words in that ........ but I think I agree with you 

[ponkster]

Rot in hell you bad bitch - respect is overrated! 

[Grahamm]

I think the best quote came from Ian Hislop on HIGNFY:

"They interviewed her enemies who said unpleasant things about her and then they interviewed her friends, most of whom also said unpleasant things about her."

[Chillum]

That was a brilliant episode, Brian Blessed is one of my favourite mental people

[VNA]

Whilst I'm no fan of Frankie Boyle I haven't found a better comment than this one of his;

Finally, I get to wear my black suit and tap shoes together

and this is not bad either

She hasn't brought central London to a standstill like this since the Poll Tax riots

Thatchers greatest achievement?  Tony Blair.

Thatchers legacy?  The Scottish Parliament, and how knows perhaps an Independent Scotland.

Bye bye Thatcher Thatcher the Milk snatcher.  Ding Dong the Witch is Dead!

[Razgruff]

I do not respect anyone who cannot respect the dead.

I do not respect

Hitler

Pol Pot

Stalin

Jimmy Salville

Dead Terrorists of any kind

And quite a large number of dead people

So I guess I don't have  your respect  :rollin

[chilly]

i hated the horrible wrinkley old bastard with a passion. i don't want any foccers respect it's just what i thought of the cow. i know lots of people that she devastated during the miners strike. i still know fathers and sons that won't even look at each other,i know families that lost their homes because of what she did. 90% of my mates worked down the pit and i will never forget the lack of respect she gave british industry and anybody who had to work for a living. burn in hell you bitch :evil

[demic77]

She did more for the north/south divide than any before or since by shafting the miners and steel workers. Sheffield steel and British coal were among the best in their fields. And she got me sacked from my first job as milk monitor... We should celebrate that she was removed from power but not that she's dead. She was a right biatch but not in the same league as stalin, hitler or muggabe. Proper fucked this country up though imho, what we're reaping now is what she sowed by letting the greedy bankers off the lead, privatising the family silver and decimating industry. She's dead poor cow but she was still a right twat. I just ignored today's proceedings, neither felt the need to mourn nor celebrate.

[Tcat2001]

Wilson closed more pits than she did.

[Razgruff]

Edward 1 v Margaret Thatcher

Who did most for Wales

Discuss  :pokefun

[Tiberius Onklevaart]

Wilson closed more pits than she did.

Yeah but shipyards, steelworks and timber mills among others were left alone.



I have no respect nor disrespect and have no opinion whether she's alive or dead and really don't think about it. For all it matters to me she was dead all along. The steely eyed determination, the botox face before botox was harnessed for cosmetic uses, the skirt suits and moulded hair.
Thatcher only came alive to me in spitting image.

She ruined a lot of people and destroyed many lives,  and many died. Thankfully I was shielded from it. Partly through age, partly through family. I was born in '79. I only felt part of it. Good and bad. I saw enough from others to see what went and still goes on  from others,  both then and later.

As a small aside, Scotland hasn't voted tory since the fifties. Since then they were lucky to have any candidates above the border. Joke as much you like about the shire and blah blah blah. But the fact is she was not represented in any way up here and she allowed it to be subject to unbelievable nonsense in spite of it. Was it because no one voted for her up here that she used the whole shire as a testbed for the poll tax? Maybe she just couldn't stand sweaty socks. Who knows?!
But the fact remains she was never voted in up here and she still managed to facilitate a massive rape of the people without any remorse or regret. When people get all high and mighty about disrespect, please remember she allowed an enormous amount of poverty and social disorder to breed due to her policies and actions that has never fully been recovered from. We didn't vote her in. We got lumped with it anyway.

Thems the breaks. And now in death they (we) continue to pay. I'm not saying dance on her grave, but I'm not gonna stop them having a (often justified) moan.

[slimwilly]

That my friends is the story of politics.


As the two threads about Margaret Thatcher will have shown politics will cause massive arguments.


There will always be at least two sides as in this case,a huge portion of the country liked the regime of the iron lady,there were of course losers,self inflicted? well this is where the arguments start,And also where the loud mouth think they can voice their opinion.As  you will find supporters are much quieter.
As for falling out or pointing fingers, well that is a NO NO, no point ,it's politics.


Before you know it grown men will start falling out over this government which, as all others was voted in by the people of this country.


Soon at the next general election there will be another set of leaders, or maybe the same,,it is the choice of the country.


We all will and have go with them ,


whatever the side in power,,we should all try to stand together, you know it makes sense.

[Tori]

FFS!! We've had one thread like this already, just STFU!!!

[VNA]

Aye well for once I'll agree with you Tori.

I thought this subject was dead and buried with the old thread.

But what the foc;

As a small aside, Scotland hasn't voted tory since the fifties. Since then they were lucky to have any candidates above the border. Joke as much you like about the shire and blah blah blah. But the fact is she was not represented in any way up here and she allowed it to be subject to unbelievable nonsense in spite of it. Was it because no one voted for her up here that she used the whole shire as a testbed for the poll tax? Maybe she just couldn't stand sweaty socks. Who knows?!

I haven't gone back through the election results, but yes the Tory Party had a majority in Scotland in the 50's.  They continued to be a strong force in Scottish politics up until Thatcher came to power.  But it was a gradual decline over 4 Tory terms until they had only one Scottish MP left, which I think is still the situation today. 

Of course the Tory party was dead against devolution, but the irony is that it is devolution that has saved the Tory party in Scotland.  They are hardy a major political force, but PR in the Scottish parliament has delivered them a small number of MSP's, enougth to survive as a political party.

The poll tax issue is a little more complicated.  Scotlands rates system had become a shambles, a complete revaluation was causing mayhem and major political problems.  Legislation was simpler in Scotland, easy to get through, so The Scottish Tories invited Thatcher to launch it early in Scotland, thinking it would be popular and solve a few problems - whoops!

But really she focced so much up.  She was on a mission to destroy the working class, their communities and their unions.

The thing that was so distressing about her destruction of our industry, was one, that so much of it was in good working order and economical, two, she put several 100,000 people on the dole in Scotland, shoved em on the scrapheap, she didn't give a shit, she closed industry after industry but gave no thought to what might follow, nothing.

She put over 3 million on the dole across the UK, bringing the jobless total up to between 4 and 5 million, all now on the brew.  How did she pay for it?  With blank cheques signed 'Scotland's oil', of which she like previous governments continued to lie to us about how much oil was under the north sea.

Roll on 18th September 2014!

[Tiberius Onklevaart]

Indeed.

[VNA]

Yes, perhaps belatedly we can give Thatcher something really special to be remember by.

[mtread]

To those moaning about the dissenters, where the 'loud mouth think they can voice their opinion', and finding supporters are much quieter, I would suggest you don't start a thread saying 'wasn't Maggie great'.
And where you ask whether losers were self inflicted, the answer is 'no' otherwise why put the question mark in.
So, I hope the subject is now dead and buried (or possibly cremated)

[flesh]

We are all entitled to our respective opinions as to whether we offer anyone respect or not. RIP.....up to you really if that floats your boat.
I must say though that the standard of some of the responses is pretty disappointing really. To compare Maggie to Stalin/Hitler etc, that is just knob behaviour. I'm sure many of you that have commented here were not born when she came into power and are making comments from heresay/others opinions rather than actually experiencing what went on. It was also very clear from the previous post that most do not have any grasp of economics whatsoever and what was actually achieved during the '80's and 90's by the Tories (and carried on by Labour).
Many lives and areas were devastated by her polices (my area especially in the NE), Some of the policies were bloody awful and very pooly delivered but how many of you who posted actually worked in factories or pits and really understand why these things happened?
How many of you have mortgages, own your own homes or have bought your council house.....these were some of the polices Maggie introduced.
RIP, I could not give a toss really but nothing worse than no-brainer or moronic comments being posted, whatever the topic.

[Razgruff]

I must say though that the standard of some of the responses is pretty disappointing really. To compare Maggie to Stalin/Hitler etc, that is just knob behaviour.

No comparison was made :rolleyes
You missed the point by a mile  :rolleyes

that comment was in reply to a comment that the dead should automatically be granted respect for the mere fact they are dead.

Respect in death, is gained from your behaviour and actions in life, much as the respect you receive in life

[DryRob]

Flesh, you don't have to have been born during her reign to be living with the consequences of her actions. The reason housing is so expensive is because she sold off the social stock and, aside from the few who bought their houses, the people benefiting the banks and private landlords with social tenants.