(11-04-13, 11:24 AM)peterjca link Wrote: [quote author=ChristoT link=topic=7157.msg68883#msg68883 date=1365671911]
Personally, the minute I have my degree, I intend to high-tail it across the Atlantic, and get work in an American firm. To quote Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits:
"I used to like to go to work but they shut it down
I got a right to go to work but there's no work here to be found " ~ Telegraph Road
You were doing so well until you informed us you'd use the resources of this country to enable you to fuck off elsewhere.
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Hey, I'm paying for my education sans loan, I am doing nothing but putting IN to the system.
And where do you want me to work? My previous point shows there's fuck-all here. If there were a decent aero company in the UK, I'd take that as a priority. As it is, I have a job lined up with a small company working on specialist tech. As it is, the company may be basing itself in the UK for its manufacturing due to over-stringent US regulations.
If there's no market, there's no work. I'd rather, ahem, "fuck off elsewhere" to work than stay here, go on the dole, and be nothing but a drain on the country's already shaky economy.
Personally, the minute I have my degree, I intend to high-tail it across the Atlantic, and get work in an American firm. To quote Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits:
"I used to like to go to work but they shut it down
I got a right to go to work but there's no work here to be found " ~ Telegraph Road
You were doing so well until you informed us you'd use the resources of this country to enable you to fuck off elsewhere.
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Hey, I'm paying for my education sans loan, I am doing nothing but putting IN to the system.
And where do you want me to work? My previous point shows there's fuck-all here. If there were a decent aero company in the UK, I'd take that as a priority. As it is, I have a job lined up with a small company working on specialist tech. As it is, the company may be basing itself in the UK for its manufacturing due to over-stringent US regulations.
If there's no market, there's no work. I'd rather, ahem, "fuck off elsewhere" to work than stay here, go on the dole, and be nothing but a drain on the country's already shaky economy.
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What about BAE and potentially Rolls Royce? Both of these are very large firms and have massive aero engineering sites. Pretty sure they are both in Bristol though I think Rolls Royce may have moved...
I am fucking apoplectic with rage at this disgusting waste of mine and every other taxpayers hard earned money when the family are not short of a few quid.
Get the fuck ugly fat daughter and the useless twat of a son (presuming he's not lost in Milton Keynes or somewhere) to dig a hole and sling the old bag in it followed by some shite and gravel.
Good afternoon young man some very strong views there, I've read yours now read mine.
Firstly stop taking the piss out of Milton Keynes, have you ever been there???????
Secondly how about showing a bit of respect for the deceased. :eek :evil
Thirdly are you aware that she negotiated billions in refunds from the EU for our country during her office, so a small price to pay I say! :rolleyes
11-04-13, 12:55 PM (This post was last modified: 11-04-13, 12:58 PM by Streetbudgie.)
(11-04-13, 12:26 PM)thecert link Wrote: [quote author=Streetbudgie link=topic=7157.msg68785#msg68785 date=1365622365]
Her fucking funeral is going to cost £10 million, source http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...67102.html
I am fucking apoplectic with rage at this disgusting waste of mine and every other taxpayers hard earned money when the family are not short of a few quid.
Get the fuck ugly fat daughter and the useless twat of a son (presuming he's not lost in Milton Keynes or somewhere) to dig a hole and sling the old bag in it followed by some shite and gravel.
Good afternoon young man some very strong views there, I've read yours now read mine.
Firstly stop taking the piss out of Milton Keynes, have you ever been there???????
Secondly how about showing a bit of respect for the deceased. :eek :evil
Thirdly are you aware that she negotiated billions in refunds from the EU for our country during her office, so a small price to pay I say! :rolleyes
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If you knew anything about Thatcher and her feckless spawn you would know the joke was aimed at the half witted son and nothing to do with MK, however I have been there many times and I am fully aware of MK's shithole status.
I only show respect for those that show respect to me, I'm no hypocrite so I speak the same of the dead as I did of them when their cloven hooves walked on this planet.
Not the negotiatied billions in EU refunds argument again - based on a report by who? William Hague who clearly wanked himself to sleep every night in his Tory Boy apple pie bed at public school dreaming of the day Thatcher would bend over and let him pork her from behind.
She may have got some money back, so what, it's bad enough she ignored those she made jobless, homeless and future less without bringing in the sale of everything we already owned back to us and the huge job losses that caused and the sale of social housing without a care for those who had no chance of home ownership.
Respect? She didn't know the meaning of the word.
Oh yeah and my pensions fucked beacuse of the bitch and I've got to pay for her funeral and be happy about it?
I'd offer to buy a gallon of petrol to chuck over her but I can't afford it.
(11-04-13, 12:55 PM)Streetbudgie link Wrote: Oh yeah and my pensions fucked beacuse of the bitch and I've got to pay for her funeral and be happy about it?
I'd offer to buy a gallon of petrol to chuck over her but I can't afford it.
You've got Brown and Blair to blame for those - Labour politicians, I believe.... :rolleyes
Quote:In the UK, the most noteworthy thing we do (apart from that paper lion, BAE) is building wings for Airbus. Not designing - BUILDING. The greatest aero companies are now assembling wings for a French commercial company.
Erm agree with pretty much everything else you said but my buddy who designed the fuel system for the A380 and spent 10 years getting it right would probably argue that we do a little more in the UK than just build wings. He's now working on the landing gear for the next one at Airbus. Works in Bristol and has done for the last 15 years or so and headed up huge design teams there working on both projects, plus there's all the suppliers, majority UK based who have their own design teams and engineers as well.
We think choosing tyres for bikes n cars is tricky - try choosing for a bloody huge plane! :-)
Quote:In the UK, the most noteworthy thing we do (apart from that paper lion, BAE) is building wings for Airbus. Not designing - BUILDING. The greatest aero companies are now assembling wings for a French commercial company.
Erm agree with pretty much everything else you said but my buddy who designed the fuel system for the A380 and spent 10 years getting it right would probably argue that we do a little more in the UK than just build wings. He's now working on the landing gear for the next one at Airbus. Works in Bristol and has done for the last 15 years or so and headed up huge design teams there working on both projects, plus there's all the suppliers, majority UK based who have their own design teams and engineers as well.
We think choosing tyres for bikes n cars is tricky - try choosing for a bloody huge plane! :-)
I was perhaps a bit hasty in that last comment. But the fact remains that Airbus is French, not English. We are now effectively subcontractors, when our Vickers, Avro and even Blackburn aircraft used to rule the skies. Likewise, I think that Rolls Royce are owned by the Germans now. As for BAE systems, they just about get by with a lot of government funding... Plus, ever since I got screwed around by the RAF when trying to join the Uni Air Arm, I have a profound mistrust of government controlled companies in the defence sector. In that respect, I'm all for privatisation!
No, the reason I want to work in the US (or wherever) is not through any treacherous desires, but because the US have a greater number of firms, a greater budget, and also individuals who are setting up small companies in the field I'm interested in.
(11-04-13, 11:24 AM)peterjca link Wrote: [quote author=ChristoT link=topic=7157.msg68883#msg68883 date=1365671911]
Personally, the minute I have my degree, I intend to high-tail it across the Atlantic, and get work in an American firm. To quote Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits:
"I used to like to go to work but they shut it down
I got a right to go to work but there's no work here to be found " ~ Telegraph Road
You were doing so well until you informed us you'd use the resources of this country to enable you to fuck off elsewhere.
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It's called getting off your arse and doing something about things rather than sitting moaning and talking about "woe is me look at the shite hand I've been dealt in life".
Easier to just expect the state to provide tho, eh?
Back when the welfare state was introduced, going on benefits carried great social stigma, it was to be avoided. Now, it's seen, by far too many people, as their right. Time to get back to how it should be!
(11-04-13, 12:55 PM)Streetbudgie link Wrote: <snip>
She may have got some money back, so what, it's bad enough she ignored those she made jobless, homeless and future less without bringing in the sale of everything we already owned back to us and the huge job losses that caused and the sale of social housing without a care for those who had no chance of home ownership.
Respect? She didn't know the meaning of the word.
Oh yeah and my pensions fucked beacuse of the bitch and I've got to pay for her funeral and be happy about it?
I'd offer to buy a gallon of petrol to chuck over her but I can't afford it.
Sounds a bit like the sour grapes of a 'job-for-lifer' to me.
(11-04-13, 02:53 PM)richfzs link Wrote: Easier to just expect the state to provide tho, eh?
Back when the welfare state was introduced, going on benefits carried great social stigma, it was to be avoided. Now, it's seen, by far too many people, as their right. Time to get back to how it should be!
Yup, those pesky bankers are only existing because of the welfare they're siphoning off the taxpayer. The banker welfare bill has eclipsed by utter magnitudes the welfare claimed by people.
No wonder bankers are socially stigmatised. Long may it continue.
It's possible that part of the reason they bailed out the banks and devalued the pound was because the financial industry currently represents about 43% of our GDP.
(11-04-13, 04:21 PM)Chillum link Wrote: [quote author=Streetbudgie link=topic=7157.msg68916#msg68916 date=1365681330]
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She may have got some money back, so what, it's bad enough she ignored those she made jobless, homeless and future less without bringing in the sale of everything we already owned back to us and the huge job losses that caused and the sale of social housing without a care for those who had no chance of home ownership.
Respect? She didn't know the meaning of the word.
Oh yeah and my pensions fucked beacuse of the bitch and I've got to pay for her funeral and be happy about it?
I'd offer to buy a gallon of petrol to chuck over her but I can't afford it.
Sounds a bit like the sour grapes of a 'job-for-lifer' to me.
Selling BT was a GOOD thing for the country.
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It's not sour grapes, it's working hard at an apprenticeship, passing college and going on to take an HND only to find the opportunity that you were promised is now taken away and you can have some shit job working on a poxy exchange and then a few months later be told that the exchange is closing and you are no longer required
So fuck off with your presumptions.
Selling BT was not a good thing, we already owned it, how would you like it if I took your bike away then offered to sell it back to you?
What about selling all the other nationalised industries that provided jobs for UK people? All the privatised industries that were supposed to promote competition and better value for money are charging inflated prices and all that money goes straight out of the UK to their overseas based offices, admin and call centers.
11-04-13, 09:13 PM (This post was last modified: 11-04-13, 09:15 PM by Chillum.)
(11-04-13, 08:48 PM)Streetbudgie link Wrote: [quote author=Chillum link=topic=7157.msg68953#msg68953 date=1365693716]
[quote author=Streetbudgie link=topic=7157.msg68916#msg68916 date=1365681330]
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She may have got some money back, so what, it's bad enough she ignored those she made jobless, homeless and future less without bringing in the sale of everything we already owned back to us and the huge job losses that caused and the sale of social housing without a care for those who had no chance of home ownership.
Respect? She didn't know the meaning of the word.
Oh yeah and my pensions fucked beacuse of the bitch and I've got to pay for her funeral and be happy about it?
I'd offer to buy a gallon of petrol to chuck over her but I can't afford it.
Sounds a bit like the sour grapes of a 'job-for-lifer' to me.
Selling BT was a GOOD thing for the country.
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It's not sour grapes, it's working hard at an apprenticeship, passing college and going on to take an HND only to find the opportunity that you were promised is now taken away and you can have some shit job working on a poxy exchange and then a few months later be told that the exchange is closing and you are no longer required
So fuck off with your presumptions.
Selling BT was not a good thing, we already owned it, how would you like it if I took your bike away then offered to sell it back to you?
What about selling all the other nationalised industries that provided jobs for UK people? All the privatised industries that were supposed to promote competition and better value for money are charging inflated prices and all that money goes straight out of the UK to their overseas based offices, admin and call centers.
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Well, it always sucks when you work hard for something and you lose out through no fault of your own, but whoever said that we were owed anything in life, even if we work for it? You've most likely had a better life than you would have done than if you'd been born 200 years ago for instance, so it isn't all doom and gloom.
Thanks for letting me know where I can go with my presumptions. Perhaps I'll find you there with your ego?
The money from privatisation got us out of a lot of debt. I personally disagree with with the right to buy stuff, but you could do that before Maggie anyway. State monopolies had to go, it's the way of the world.
You might think it's bad here, but I've just come back from trying to live in North Wales, it's a lot worse there - and that's a lot to do with peoples' attitudes as much as anything else. If your attitude sucks, then you'll find fault with anything.
If you have a good attitude then you can find opportunities all over the place that you would otherwise not see for crying into your ale.
on Aerospace remember Concorde goverment investment then sucessive goverments under invested and that's why that when down the tubes, same for British Leyland.
At least when kids leave school now that get offered some sort of training when I left school in 1980 there was no training schemes and 1 1/2 million unemployed and raising until Maggie started changing the definition of what was unemployed.
On Pensions remember the 80's Robert Maxwell and all those other asset strippers that just brought companies to close them because they had massive pension funds.
I've been living through boom and bust, I know I will die in harness because when I reach the new pension age it will have gone up again.
And those that think I should show some respect, this about sums up what I think about it
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