(10-04-13, 03:00 PM)FJGAR link Wrote: Well that's the first time I've agreed with Oldgit 
I for one will mourn her loss, a great leader and a great Briton, a prime minister that restored pride and power to this country after years of ruination from that commie bastard Wilson. Beat the unions, beat Galtieri, brought down on Europe but proved right in the end, that's plain to see. The mines and manufacturing were already doomed before she came to power, who honestly thinks the mines would still be operating now?
Rest in peace Iron Lady, wish you could save the country again.
well said 
if it aint broke, try harder!
my understanding of the definition of a great leader is their ability to unite and lead, she just divided, as seen by this thread and many other things going on at the moment
Bong for PM.
(or Nigel Farage)
(10-04-13, 04:04 PM)Razgruff link Wrote: my understanding of the definition of a great leader is their ability to unite and lead, she just divided, as seen by this thread and many other things going on at the moment
Personally, my definition of a great leader is one who isn't afraid to make the difficult decisions, even if it sets many against them!
Uniting and leading sounds to me what some kind of communist type dictator would want!
(10-04-13, 04:25 PM)JoeRock link Wrote: [quote author=Razgruff link=topic=7157.msg68719#msg68719 date=1365606252]
my understanding of the definition of a great leader is their ability to unite and lead, she just divided, as seen by this thread and many other things going on at the moment
Personally, my definition of a great leader is one who isn't afraid to make the difficult decisions, even if it sets many against them!
Uniting and leading sounds to me what some kind of communist type dictator would want!
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Communist type dictators. Let me think. They would the large corporations and the bankers, threatening to throw their toys out of the pram if they can't get their own way and pocket enough of our money.
Love or hatred of Thatcher appears to follow the North/South divide pretty well....
I'm 19, I'm not going to pretend I understand the suffering many families went through at the hands of her policies. But I'll say this: what about those who would have suffered without them? Had the miners got their way, the economy would have collapsed overnight, and the country would have been deeper in the shit that it was. Thatcher was no saint, but neither were the Union leaders.
Quote:Blythe said her dislike for the former prime minister came from being told she might never find work on leaving school in 1984.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics...named.html
Hell, my generation has been completely fucked over by the current shower of politicians. I, and many of my friends will leave University with nigh-on useless degrees, be unable to get jobs, and hardly able to support ourselves on the pittance they call the dole. All you who curse Thatcher's name, you're old enough to be past the misery that awaits me, and you should count your lucky stars for that!!
If I am to behave like this Romany Blythe character, the list is long for people for me to despise and hate. Blair, Brown, Cameron, Clegg, Merkel, Van Rompuy... the list goes on and on. But frankly, that takes up too much time, and I'll have to do the best with what I get anyway. You chaps did, you're able to look back on it now. I have it all to look forward to.
So yeah. Count your lucky stars, and spare a though for the poor bastards like me.
The Deef's apprentice
(10-04-13, 05:14 PM)ChristoT link Wrote: Love or hatred of Thatcher appears to follow the North/South divide pretty well....
I'm 19, I'm not going to pretend I understand the suffering many families went through at the hands of her policies. But I'll say this: what about those who would have suffered without them? Had the miners got their way, the economy would have collapsed overnight, and the country would have been deeper in the shit that it was. Thatcher was no saint, but neither were the Union leaders.
[quote author=Daily Telegraph]
Blythe said her dislike for the former prime minister came from being told she might never find work on leaving school in 1984. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics...named.html
Hell, my generation has been completely fucked over by the current shower of politicians. I, and many of my friends will leave University with nigh-on useless degrees, be unable to get jobs, and hardly able to support ourselves on the pittance they call the dole. All you who curse Thatcher's name, you're old enough to be past the misery that awaits me, and you should count your lucky stars for that!!
If I am to behave like this Romany Blythe character, the list is long for people for me to despise and hate. Blair, Brown, Cameron, Clegg, Merkel, Van Rompuy... the list goes on and on. But frankly, that takes up too much time, and I'll have to do the best with what I get anyway. You chaps did, you're able to look back on it now. I have it all to look forward to.
So yeah. Count your lucky stars, and spare a though for the poor bastards like me.
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Do you also wank at the alter of the bankers?
(10-04-13, 05:59 PM)peterjca link Wrote: Do you also wank at the alter of the bankers?
The bastards who caused the situation we're in now deserve everything they get. Right now, they're possibly more vilified than lawyers, and long may that last. I'm not going to lose any sleep over them though.
The Deef's apprentice
(10-04-13, 04:53 PM)peterjca link Wrote: [quote author=JoeRock link=topic=7157.msg68724#msg68724 date=1365607557]
[quote author=Razgruff link=topic=7157.msg68719#msg68719 date=1365606252]
my understanding of the definition of a great leader is their ability to unite and lead, she just divided, as seen by this thread and many other things going on at the moment
Personally, my definition of a great leader is one who isn't afraid to make the difficult decisions, even if it sets many against them!
Uniting and leading sounds to me what some kind of communist type dictator would want!
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Communist type dictators. Let me think. They would the large corporations and the bankers, threatening to throw their toys out of the pram if they can't get their own way and pocket enough of our money.
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Peter, guess what field I'm studying to enter, and guess what I've worked as previously in my life?
That said, I don't agree with a great deal of things that had previously taken place - investment banks and retail banking branches of the same company should not be allowed to mix for example, and although paying bonuses is fine when the company is profitable, I don't agree with paying bonuses after a publically funded bailout.
However, an extremely large reason the financial crisis took place was because people that couldn't afford mortgages took them out. You can argue it was the fault of the banks by offering them, but as far as I'm concerned people should be able to know what they can and can't afford.
Christo, just out of interest, what are you studying? I'm just about to finish my current degree and move onto an MSc course in Finance next year.
10-04-13, 08:32 PM
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Her fucking funeral is going to cost £10 million, source http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...67102.html
I am fucking apoplectic with rage at this disgusting waste of mine and every other taxpayers hard earned money when the family are not short of a few quid.
Get the fuck ugly fat daughter and the useless twat of a son (presuming he's not lost in Milton Keynes or somewhere) to dig a hole and sling the old bag in it followed by some shite and gravel.
(10-04-13, 08:32 PM)Streetbudgie link Wrote: Her fucking funeral is going to cost £10 million
It sounds like money well spent if you ask me. She was an icon of our times and widely respected throughout the world. What would it look like if we just slung her in a hole and chucked shit on it?/troll
Whatever side of the fence you sit you can't argue that we should be burying her. Fecking £10,000,000 ????
Asuming the Independant isn't telling fibs
(10-04-13, 07:43 PM)JoeRock link Wrote: However, an extremely large reason the financial crisis took place was because people that couldn't afford mortgages took them out. You can argue it was the fault of the banks by offering them, but as far as I'm concerned people should be able to know what they can and can't afford.
Christo, just out of interest, what are you studying? I'm just about to finish my current degree and move onto an MSc course in Finance next year.
Silly me. I hadn't realised that a bank's clients are supposed to do the risk taking analysis for them (and unpaid at that). So when I apply for a loan, should they be sending me details of their business model and other information so I can ensure I don't send them further in the red?
Any other core tasks they aren't supposed to do that we should know about? We'll lend a hand.
(10-04-13, 07:43 PM)JoeRock link Wrote: Christo, just out of interest, what are you studying? I'm just about to finish my current degree and move onto an MSc course in Finance next year.
I'm doing Aero Engineering, but try to keep up to date on current affairs, etc. At one point, I was debating whether I should be an engineer or a barrister, and the engineering won.
The main point I was originally trying to make is that every generation will have its shit patch, the chaps who are howling had theirs, they should spare a thought for the likes of us who are about to hit ours just as we leave education - one of the worst times to hit a crisis.
The Deef's apprentice
(10-04-13, 10:45 PM)ChristoT link Wrote: I'm doing Aero Engineering, but try to keep up to date on current affairs, etc. At one point, I was debating whether I should be an engineer or a barrister, and the engineering won.
Congratulations on your choice. Just remember that no generation deserves a shit patch as you put it.
Let's hope science and engineering regains its importance politically and economically to provide good R&D funding and lots of innovation. Trouble is, that requires politicians from a wide range of backgrounds and real jobs.
PS I mean real innovation, not "innovation" with fantasy fairy money in the financial "industry".
Well thats a good choice, and one that somehow fits with the topic. Who knows it may even get you or someone to mars. Lets hope you don't make the fly a drifter tho. For that they'd need the heart of a lion, or maybe a ripple in space time to become a sci fi hero. Like a galaxy far, far away. Or maybe you'll stick to more domestic things like this double decker airbus. Bit tougher to engineer than a dairy milk float I reckon but either way, if yer good there's a chance you could make a mint. Or cause a ruffle.
Smell ones mother. Yaas!
(10-04-13, 09:08 PM)Chillum link Wrote: [quote author=Streetbudgie link=topic=7157.msg68785#msg68785 date=1365622365]
Her fucking funeral is going to cost £10 million
It sounds like money well spent if you ask me. She was an icon of our times and widely respected throughout the world. What would it look like if we just slung her in a hole and chucked shit on it?/troll
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well that's what the rest of us get?
(10-04-13, 10:58 PM)peterjca link Wrote: Just remember that no generation deserves a shit patch as you put it.
No one deserves it, everyone gets it. If I sit and cry in a hole about how unfair it is,I'll get fuck-all. Better for everyone concerned if I pick meself up, and get on with it.
My father is an English teacher, and regularly quotes poetry at me (A quote for every occasion!). And when I was a child, I had to learn "If" by Rudyard Kipling. The applicable phrases to this thread are:
Quote:Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
It's sound advice (the poem was orginally written for his son, Jack, who was killed in the trenches in WWI at a very tender age). And the conclusion of the poem:
Quote:If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
I don't think that needs much explanation.
Quote:Let's hope science and engineering regains its importance politically and economically to provide good R&D funding and lots of innovation. Trouble is, that requires politicians from a wide range of backgrounds and real jobs.
PS I mean real innovation, not "innovation" with fantasy fairy money in the financial "industry".
What industry? We got a talk at the beginning of the course, talking about all the "brilliant" things the UK did in the Aero sector. Us, who in the 50s and 60s had technology that was outstripping the Americans with their enormous R&D budgets. In the UK, the most noteworthy thing we do (apart from that paper lion, BAE) is building wings for Airbus. Not designing - BUILDING. The greatest aero companies are now assembling wings for a French commercial company.
The UK manufacturing industry was terribly mis-managed really. Triumph, Ariel, BSA, all gone bust because they didn't think of updating their product. And they're symbolic of the rest of the industry.
I watched an interesting documentary a few days back on Youtube (originally on the history channel) about motorcycles. Harley-Davidson nearly got run out of the market by the Japanese, however, the company refreshed itself, and came out with truly new tech for the bikes. Like 'em or loathe 'em, at least they're still going. The documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kphjh8XA71M
Personally, the minute I have my degree, I intend to high-tail it across the Atlantic, and get work in an American firm. To quote Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits:
"I used to like to go to work but they shut it down
I got a right to go to work but there's no work here to be found " ~ Telegraph Road
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48
The Deef's apprentice
(11-04-13, 07:44 AM)Tiberius Onklevaart link Wrote: Well thats a good choice, and one that somehow fits with the topic. Who knows it may even get you or someone to mars. Lets hope you don't make the fly a drifter tho. For that they'd need the heart of a lion, or maybe a ripple in space time to become a sci fi hero. Like a galaxy far, far away. Or maybe you'll stick to more domestic things like this double decker airbus. Bit tougher to engineer than a dairy milk float I reckon but either way, if yer good there's a chance you could make a mint. Or cause a ruffle.
Nine choc bars - craving something?
"Don't Die with Fun in the Bank!"
(11-04-13, 10:18 AM)ChristoT link Wrote: Personally, the minute I have my degree, I intend to high-tail it across the Atlantic, and get work in an American firm. To quote Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits:
"I used to like to go to work but they shut it down
I got a right to go to work but there's no work here to be found " ~ Telegraph Road
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48
You were doing so well until you informed us you'd use the resources of this country to enable you to fuck off elsewhere.
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