I've been riding for about two months now but I've driven cars for 18 odd years. I'm confused by the way my bike is acting but I don't know if it's me or not (it's different to the gs500 I learnt on).
1st to 2nd is fine but clunky (the way I understand Fazers are)
The rest of the gears upward need working (sometimes I have to try twice) to get them in in gear. I don't think it's my clutch control but I'm not 100% sure.
I pull the clutch lever in, move my toe up and the gear lever moves most of the way but doesn't click. I release the clutch and try again and it does. This happens too often and regularly for me to believe completely that it's my clutch control.
I think the play on the clutch lever is okay too.
Any ideas what I'm doing wrong or what the problem is ?
Cheers
Simon
ps I also noticed this whilst trying to do clutchless gear changes up the box I think 4th is okay (but it could be one of the others, I'm not good at keeping track of the gear I'm in since it's a bit sticky), but 3rd, 5th and 6th just will not engage after preloading and rolling off the throttle.
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Its the gearbox, mine is the same.
Im sure that all the crap around the sprocket cover and the oring being dry that goes around the shift shaft doesnt help.
I find that if it doesnt go in the first time, rather than doing it again, just apply constant pressure on the shift lever, eventually it clicks in.
If the bike is due an oil change then this sometimes seems to make the gearbox less slick. Is the gear pedal adjusted correctly for you ? Also check the gear pedal rubber, I'm heavy on them for some reason and when they are wearing out it can make your changes sloppy, get a new one, or for a quick fix turn it round (they wear from the outside).
Les
The only real Fazer is a carbed 600.
11-03-13, 12:57 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-03-13, 12:58 PM by Ruby Racing.)
It may be that the gear lever is set just a little too low for you. The result is that after an upshift and your foot moves back down it isn't going back down far enough to allow the gear lever to get back to its starting position. With the result that it isn't in a position to engage the next gear. Try adjusting the lever up slightly and see how you get on. Also check the rose joints on the shift (at the gearbox end and the foot peg end) to see that they are lubed. I did this recently on a different bike and it made a huge difference to the slickness of gear change.
(11-03-13, 12:51 PM)wannafazer link Wrote: If the bike is due an oil change then this sometimes seems to make the gearbox less slick. Is the gear pedal adjusted correctly for you ? Also check the gear pedal rubber, I'm heavy on them for some reason and when they are wearing out it can make your changes sloppy, get a new one, or for a quick fix turn it round (they wear from the outside).
Les
The bike, when I got it, had been off the road for 8 years, so the first thing I did was have it serviced and MOT'd. Assuming they did their job then an oil change will have been done.
I don't know how to adjust the gear lever, I'll look in the manual. Thanks for the idea.
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I had a sudden problem with not being able to change into 3rd gear, it was like it was finding a false gear and going no further, then i'd try again and it would clunk into 3rd but it sounded grim.
I had the "main gear selector spring" changed and it all went away.
As far as i'm concerned the gears should all change smoothly, they shouldn't need selecting twice at all.
Although the heavy sounding clunk into first from a stand still is a normal trait of the bike.
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(11-03-13, 01:20 PM)darrsi link Wrote: I had a sudden problem with not being able to change into 3rd gear, it was like it was finding a false gear and going no further, then i'd try again and it would clunk into 3rd but it sounded grim.
I had the "main gear selector spring" changed and it all went away.
As far as i'm concerned the gears should all change smoothly, they shouldn't need selecting twice at all.
Although the heavy sounding clunk into first from a stand still is a normal trait of the bike.
Thanks lad. Here is your previous post :-) http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=2913.0
Opinions are like A**holes, Everyone has one. Some people seem to have more than one though which is a bit odd.
Simon, it's very unlikely to be a gearbox problem, yes they are clunky but actual gearbox probs are rare.
Try the pedal set up. Like Ruby Racing said it could be the fact that your not letting the lever settle into its position after a change so it would need to go up. To try this make sure you take your foot from under the pedal and put it back on the peg, then try the change, that way you know the lever has gone back to the correct position.
If that doesn't solve the problem try moving the pedal down so your getting enough upshift. It's easy to adjust and a few mil makes a difference.
The only real Fazer is a carbed 600.
I'm not saying you've definitely got the same problem, but it does sound kind of familiar, a few people have mentioned it before as well.
The thing is, if it is to do with that spring then it won't get any better it'll just get worse.
I promised myself i wouldn't mention Activ8 oil........so i won't. :tape
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(11-03-13, 02:31 PM)wannafazer link Wrote: It's easy to adjust and a few mil makes a difference.
Mine was set too high when I got the bike and so I was really having to lift my toes to click the gears in. With the middle of my foot on the pegs the pedal is now pretty much in line with the sole of my shoes, beforehand it was level with the middle of my toes. There was never any non-engaging of the gears but it felt miles more controlled and positive just by lowering it one cm.
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Mine used to be quite clunky, I tried very hard to get used to it and improve how I changed gear to make it smoother. Recently I changed the position of the gear lever slightly, plus also tightened up the left foot peg as it was pretty loose and greased the gear lever pivots. Honestly it has made such a difference, it's really smooth now. I also got a new chain and sprockets which has probably helped with the smooth feel, but yeah I would suggest checking your gear lever position and foot peg to eliminate those issues first.
(11-03-13, 12:57 PM)Ruby Racing link Wrote: It may be that the gear lever is set just a little too low for you. The result is that after an upshift and your foot moves back down it isn't going back down far enough to allow the gear lever to get back to its starting position. With the result that it isn't in a position to engage the next gear. Try adjusting the lever up slightly and see how you get on. Also check the rose joints on the shift (at the gearbox end and the foot peg end) to see that they are lubed. I did this recently on a different bike and it made a huge difference to the slickness of gear change.
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The gear is clunky and shifting takes a while for one to get to know your gears and what sort of revs that suit to shift each gear. I can tell by just the sound of the exhaust when to pop my next gear, But I find it is important to have your lever set right to begin with. I had to play around with mine to get a spot that gave the best shift. I find the lever position a bit unforgiving if it's too low or too high. A change in thickness in boot can even effect my shifts from good shifts to average shifts. That's just my experience.
Off the road for 8 years? I'd be wondering what state your clutch is in (and indeed, clutch adjustment) (Was the old oil left in the bike while it were laid up, or was it drained?).
How old and what state is your chain in, and is it tensioned properly?
Mine is clunky in 1st / 2nd mostly (they all do it, and some Hondas are clunky too), and I tend to treat my gearbox sympathetically and it's mostly OK in the other gears.
Technique does make some difference; if you're rushing gearchanges, that won't help either.
(12-03-13, 02:34 AM)AdieR link Wrote: Technique does make some difference; if you're rushing gearchanges, that won't help either.
....ya....my fazer tends to prefer a lazy, ease it in slowly type of gear shift.
Best thing to check the simple thing first and if the problem still exists after all this then we can investigate further.
1. Is the clutch lever adjusted properly there should be 5 to 7mm of play where the lever meets the lever holder. If not adjust the play using the adjuster on the lever bracket
2. Is the punch mark on the gear change shaft lined up with slot in the gear change bracket on the shaft. If not remove it and line it up.
3. Adjust the lever to suit your riding position
Put the bike on the centre stand then sit on the bike. Now with you in your normal relaxed riding position, check the position of you left foot in relation to the round edge at the end of the gear lever. It should be about a half inch from the bottom of the sole of the your boot. If not adjust the linkage
The linkage can be adjusted by turning the bar between the shaft and the gear lever.
Loosen the 10mm nuts (rear one is left hand thread normal tightening direction is loosening) and turn the bar to adjust the lever up or down. When you think it is the correct position for you tighten the nuts and take it for a spin.
This is a trial and error job and may take a few trys to get it right.
Let us know the result of the above.
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