The future is electric………….

[agricola]

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So that's what the bloke is doing with the litter picker and black bag. I always wondered.

Seriously though, people on community service or in open prisons should be doing that work.
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So the bloke who is employed to do it is out of a job...
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Do Councils still employ people to do that? Not around here they don't. Streets are awash with litter, old road signs fro previous works going back 10 years, dog shit, roadside drains not emptied for years so when it rains the poor buggers down the hill get flooded

[agricola]

At last, maybe the whole picture will start being considered:

Did you watch the video in the article that you linked to?
Electric cars are about a reduction in CO2 emissions.  It’s a about decarbonisation.  We don’t have a choice in this – the world needs to drastically reduce it’s use of fossil fuels.
An that’s a 5-year-old video.  In the UK, which has made fairly rapid advances in decarbonising electrical generation the difference between and electric and petrol/diesel will be even greater – considerably so. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_contin...=emb_title

I've told you before, it not gonna happen till they've melted the Antarctic ice sheet. 

[Grahamm]

I will consider electric vehicles when upgrading my car or bike.  Progress seems slow at the moment in terms of available vehicles and infrastructure – far too slow.

Yes, I've occasionally looked at the situation regarding electric motorcycles, but at the moment the cost and limited range is a real drawback

Even though I mostly ride for pleasure, the current (sorry!) state of the art gives around 100 miles of riding but then an hour recharging to get back.

This isn't great if I want to go surfing in Croyde which is 190 miles from Portsmouth and about 5 1/2 hours on the twisty route as it would add at least an hour to my journey time.

When they can make an electric bike with a 200 miles range, ie equivalent to many road bikes and bring the price down to something affordable to the average rider, I think things will definitely improve.

[BBROWN1664]

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[quote author=mtread link=topic=25807.msg308792#msg308792 date=1580483920]
So that's what the bloke is doing with the litter picker and black bag. I always wondered.

Seriously though, people on community service or in open prisons should be doing that work.
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So the bloke who is employed to do it is out of a job...
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He can have a job supervising the litter pickers. Instead of one picker, you have a team or 5-10. MEans 5-10 times as much rubbish gets cleared each day for the same price as before. Result I think

[mtread]

He can have a job supervising the litter pickers. Instead of one picker, you have a team or 5-10. MEans 5-10 times as much rubbish gets cleared each day for the same price as before. Result I think

That's a hell of a lot of rhodium and palladium!

[Slaninar]

A lot of electricity is made by burning coal.
Or destroying river ecosystems by building dams. In my country, there's a devastation of small mountain rivers by private "eco-friendly" power plants.
Solar and wind energy? Both take A LOT of space per KW produced.

Nuclear power, for all I know, is the cleanest of all - as long as all the safety measures are taken and the spent fuel is safely stored.

Very counter-intuitive. But still true.

Now we come to the vehicles. Sure, a battery run one will not pollute directly the city it is driven in. However, adopting many e-cars/bikes will require even more electricity.
Also - batteries. Even when they are recycled, there's a lot of pollution that comes with making them.

Another aspect is how much pollution building a car makes. Any car. Modern trend, that is favoured by capitalism, is getting a new, more eco-friendly car, at least once in 5 years. But this results with more waste made by making more cars. I still think that buying one Golf 2 diesel every 30 years, driving it only when really necessary (say 2000 km per year), is more eco-friendly than getting a new e-car every 5 years and going everywhere using the car.

The really eco-friendly option would be: banning privately owned cars and offering good public transport. And, of course, fewer humans - there's more and more of us each year. As well as more people "packed" in cities, globally, with villages being less and less populated.

[VNA]

A lot of electricity is made by burning coal.

Not that long ago most of the electricity in the UK was made by burning coal.
The UK no longer uses coal to generate electricity.
Scotland’s electricity is now 70-80% renewable, the target is 100% and which much increased capacity to take care of increasing demand from, for example, electric cars.
At the end of the day the world has only one single energy source – the sun.

[Slaninar]

A lot of electricity is made by burning coal.

Not that long ago most of the electricity in the UK was made by burning coal.
The UK no longer uses coal to generate electricity.
Scotland’s electricity is now 70-80% renewable, the target is 100% and which much increased capacity to take care of increasing demand from, for example, electric cars.
At the end of the day the world has only one single energy source – the sun.

The point is that renewable is not equal to "not damaging the environment".


Getting half the electricity we need from the Sun alone is still not realistically feasible for all I know.

[VNA]

The point is that renewable is not equal to "not damaging the environment".

I don’t disagree.  But right now the priority is that we decarbonise our economies – the environment and our future depends on it, but yes it must be achieved with minimal impact on the environment itself.

Getting half the electricity we need from the Sun alone is still not realistically feasible for all I know.

Scotland should be practically 100% renewable in terms of electricity in a matter of just a few years.  The next big challenges for us will be decarbonisation of transport and decarbonisation of our homes – ie heating. 
It’s all very doable.

[VNA]

Meanwhile while we wait for those transport solutions and electric motorbikes to come online;

 

[Fazerider]

At the end of the day the world has only one single energy source – the sun.

And the Earth (geothermal)... and the moon (tidal).

[mickvp]

I actually manufacture gears for a current production electric vehicle. Sales are far less than forecast (if I had to guess, because of the price). They are blooming fast things though. In the case of the vehicle I’ve been involved with the drive units are sealed units, nothing easily serviceable on it.

As has been stated, zero emissions but far from carbon neutral. I would be interested to see how the emissions would compare between having a brand new EV made at a factory and continuing to run our old Fazers.. how many years would it take before the EV “cost” less emissions.

[Steve3351]

Actually the future is neither internal combustion or electric...the future is simply less cars, less bikes and much much less wasted energy un un un un un un

[dazza]

Or could the future be.....Salt Water?.....
https://www.thegentlemansjournal.com/car...water/amp/

[fazersharp]

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At the end of the day the world has only one single energy source – the sun.

And the Earth (geothermal)... and the moon (tidal).
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At the end of the day the world has only one single energy source – the sun.

And the Earth (geothermal)... and the moon (tidal).
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