Advance stop lines (asl's/ bike boxes) A WARNING!

[Exupnut]

U can still use broken cycle lanes to filter.

[Chillum]

[quote author=Chillum link=topic=8742.msg94802#msg94802 date=1376679046]
Please Mr perfect, could you inform me as to the correct way to resolve the dilemma of not wanting to drive at bicycle speeds for 10 miles?

But you know that are just trying to wind people up aren't you

Shhh!

:lol
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:'( You is not as easy man to troll Graham. Any pointers for future reference?  :rolleyes

[Punkstig]

[quote author=Farjo link=topic=8742.msg95100#msg95100 date=1376789116]
Segregated cycle lanes, in my experience, are there to keep cyclists off the road rather than to protect them.

I entirely agree with you.

There are some like that in Portsmouth and, like that one, you get pedestrians (or other obstructions) in the cycle lane and if you're cycling, every time you get to a road, you have to waste energy slowing or even stopping to let traffic cross, then expend more energy getting moving again which means you are not cycling in the most efficient manner (which is to lose as little momentum as possible).

As such, I simply do not bother using those cycle lanes.
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If you want to ride a push bike and not waste energy then go on a velodrome, twats use this as an excuse to jump red lights and it is not acceptable, public roads have junctions and hazards to avoid, therefore you will waste energy many times on a journey, you have a choice for your mode of transport, don't make shit excuses to make up for it.
Do you moan about wasting fuel on your bike by slowing down to stop at junctions?
when on the road I'm as considerate as possible to other road users around me, selfish tossers should be whipped!

[Farjo]

That's not what I'm saying. At 14 seconds on that video there's this:
[smg id=1108 type=preview align=center caption="cycleLane"]

Now imagine you are cycling along this road and a car is approaching behind you, and it wants to turn left into that side road. If you were cycling along the road then you would have right of way and the car should wait until you went past (but often they'll accelerate and cut you up). However if you're on this cycle lane then you have to stop for the car.

This is what I'm saying - this type of cycle lane are a dream for anti-cyclist road planners as they can tick the "cycling provision provided" box and also keep thing out of the way of cars.

[Grahamm]

If you want to ride a push bike and not waste energy then go on a velodrome, twats use this as an excuse to jump red lights and it is not acceptable, public roads have junctions and hazards to avoid, therefore you will waste energy many times on a journey, you have a choice for your mode of transport, don't make shit excuses to make up for it.

Let me guess, you don't regularly ride a bicycle...  :rolleyes

[Slaninar]

[quote author=Punkstig link=topic=8742.msg95192#msg95192 date=1376842375]
If you want to ride a push bike and not waste energy then go on a velodrome, twats use this as an excuse to jump red lights and it is not acceptable, public roads have junctions and hazards to avoid, therefore you will waste energy many times on a journey, you have a choice for your mode of transport, don't make shit excuses to make up for it.

Let me guess, you don't regularly ride a bicycle...  :rolleyes
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While on a bicycle:

a yield sign = what it says
a stop sign = a yield sign
a red light = a yield sign
a green light = a yield sign


For safe riding that is.

[Punkstig]

U can still use broken cycle lanes to filter.

I don't believe you can bud, a broken cycle lane points to wether you can stop to load/unload, not drive along it, unless there is a sign with designated times on it (like bus lanes) like the junction of Holborn and Grays inn heading west along Holborn!

[Punkstig]

[quote author=Punkstig link=topic=8742.msg95192#msg95192 date=1376842375]
If you want to ride a push bike and not waste energy then go on a velodrome, twats use this as an excuse to jump red lights and it is not acceptable, public roads have junctions and hazards to avoid, therefore you will waste energy many times on a journey, you have a choice for your mode of transport, don't make shit excuses to make up for it.

Let me guess, you don't regularly ride a bicycle...  :rolleyes
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Not since I stopped BMX racing at 13, and at that age I still knew to ride properly on the road!

[Exupnut]

[quote author=Exupnut link=topic=8742.msg95174#msg95174 date=1376835008]
U can still use broken cycle lanes to filter.

I don't believe you can bud, a broken cycle lane points to wether you can stop to load/unload, not drive along it, unless there is a sign with designated times on it (like bus lanes) like the junction of Holborn and Grays inn heading west along Holborn!
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A broken cycle line or ANY dotted line meeans it can be crossed. Holborn grays inn is SOLID. U will never see an comply sign on broken lines.
If ya dont know ask met traffic

[Punkstig]

[quote author=Punkstig link=topic=8742.msg95295#msg95295 date=1376864791]
[quote author=Exupnut link=topic=8742.msg95174#msg95174 date=1376835008]
U can still use broken cycle lanes to filter.

I don't believe you can bud, a broken cycle lane points to wether you can stop to load/unload, not drive along it, unless there is a sign with designated times on it (like bus lanes) like the junction of Holborn and Grays inn heading west along Holborn!
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A broken cycle line or ANY dotted line meeans it can be crossed. Holborn grays inn is SOLID. U will never see an comply sign on broken lines.
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I see legally it can be used but out of principal that its there for cyclists I stay out of them.
Yes, Holborn is solid, but so are bus lanes!
That one has a time of operation plate so can be used,  its the only one I know of in the city with a time plate, have you seen any others Exup?

[Grahamm]

[quote author=Exupnut link=topic=8742.msg95174#msg95174 date=1376835008]
U can still use broken cycle lanes to filter.

I don't believe you can bud,
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Highway Code Paragraph 140:

Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.
Law RTRA sects 5 & 8

It's a "Do Not" not a "Must Not".

[Grahamm]

[quote author=Grahamm link=topic=8742.msg95215#msg95215 date=1376849548]
Let me guess, you don't regularly ride a bicycle...  :rolleyes

Not since I stopped BMX racing at 13, and at that age I still knew to ride properly on the road!
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Right, so you were young and fit had plenty of energy to spare, so starting and stopping repeatedly wasn't so much of a problem. But efficient cycling (especially when you're a bit older) means you don't want to waste energy, so you want to minimise the number of times this happens.

(And please note, by the way, that I am *NOT* advocating jumping red lights and all that sort of crap. I despite cyclists who do that sort of thing because it allows people in internet discussion forums to tar all cyclists with the same brush, even when we ride sensibly)

But the point is that if a council is going to provide cycle lanes, they should actually be *useful* to cyclists, instead of just being a box-ticking exercise or designed to keep bicycles out of the way of cars.

[JZS 600]

Lots of people getting pulled over this morning, cyclists included and a dust up between a motorcyclist and cyclist at Aldgate this morning!
Plenty of cops around though to sort it out but the bloke on the Triumph had a helmet cam on and he was abusing the cyclist and kicking his bike. I'm pretty sure that won't go down well