(09-06-15, 09:43 PM)anutz link Wrote: still have no idea how it can sound so bad but the timing marks be absolutely spot on - they line up 100%... :'(
Right anutz, go back to what you first posted about plug noise, just check they're all in correctly and the coils are on the right plugs, sounds simple but one of them loose will cause you problems and through everything out.
Do one lead and one plug at a time, there should be numbers on the coil leads maybe 5 or 6 inches from plug end
Colin
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Ride fast, ride a red bike :-)
So all plugs in the correct place, and it revs fine, does not seem down on power at all - when stood at least...
Just clicking like mad....
When i took it to bits a few hours ago i wound it round 10-15 revolutions manually with a socket on the flywheel....
bang in line all the time.....
Tommorow i shall disassemble again and this time remove the Tensioner gasket as thats the ONLY thing i added recently and it previously sounded lovely...
I have checked the oil and it is inbetween the correct markers....
That cam be your only problem then, if you were happy before you put tensioner gasket in and now it's not :-(
But why would a gasket do this?
Do you need a gasket in there? Is it oil within its holding? I've not stripped a fazer down so I don't really know where your talking about.
Colin
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Ride fast, ride a red bike :-)
Read this anutz
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=9372.0
Might be a few clues and symptoms for you
Colin
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Ride fast, ride a red bike :-)
Sounds like cam chain to me.
You can sometimes get the tensioner to move up a notch if - WITH IGNITION OFF - you select 2nd gear, clutch in, go backwards as fast you can then just dump the clutch. This moved mine up a notch on the tensioner and quietened it down. Worth a go fella, good luck fella :thumbup
Those are my principles...if you don't like them I have others.
might give it a go......if it was the cam chain tensioner however would the timing not be out once i had manually wound it over 10-15 times....???
OK so, Sinto i read the link you posted and Unfazed makes some good points in his post, one thing i cannot explain is why the timing would be seemingly perfect yet their be an issue with the CCT, one point raised in that post is that loose tappets can cause the noise as well...i shall check them and also may as well look at valve clearnaces if i am stripping it down again.....i cannot fathom why the gasket would cause the issue especially in light of the timing staying in sync whilst manually winding it on a number of cycles...
(09-06-15, 10:41 PM)Frosties link Wrote: Sounds like cam chain to me.
You can sometimes get the tensioner to move up a notch if - WITH IGNITION OFF - you select 2nd gear, clutch in, go backwards as fast you can then just dump the clutch. This moved mine up a notch on the tensioner and quietened it down. Worth a go fella, good luck fella :thumbup
I'd give this a go first, what have you to lose? It's just pushing it backwards then letting out the clutch, you might save yourself some hassle, then I'd look at stripping it back down.
I can't fathom it out either, I've not stripped down any type of engines in years so I'd rather not suggest the wrong thing to you.
I was thinking that the gasket you were talking about must be there or the oil would just come out, so it does need a seal of some sorts.
Colin
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Ride fast, ride a red bike :-)
yep - need the gasket.....and with it in timing is 100%
Before i strip it again i shall pop the tank back on - leave it running for a bit, top the oil up just in case, and then try Frosties idea...
In reality it revs lovvely, just this noise, i might just bleed the brakes and then ride it over to the local mechanics as they might know what it is straight away...
OK so been starting it up this morning some more - at one point left an ignition coil off and thought it was buggered....then it stalled....fuel tap closed...
So after now ending up where i started, the ticking is still there and a little annoying but 90% gone when running....so for now i will focus on getting it on the road and MOT'd
if anyone can correct me - IF the chain or tensioner had an issue, would the timing be perfect...
Cheers
Yes, your tensioner could be faulty/not set quite right and your timing still correct as the tensioner tensions the slack side of the chain not the side that is being driven. So your timing can be fine, the bike runs well but is noisy because the slack side of the chain isn't having its slack taken up properly. Way too much slack, much more than is necessary to make a noise and then the chain will jump a tooth and throw the timing out. But to reiterate, yes the timing can be 100% but noisy at the same time. Obviously if the chain is badly stretched then your timing will be slightly out but not enough that you would notice in terms of performance. I think you are putting too much emphasis on the fact that your timing is correct. This isn't the problem here.
ah now that makes sense
thanks for that....
most likely its stick between clicks especially makes sense with the new gasket
I'd try Frostie's suggestion to see if you can get another click on the tensioner. On the Yam TDM some owners did a mod where they fitted a bolt and locking nut to the tensioner to manually adjust it because it was a bugbear. Don't know I this can be done on the fazer engine though.
Manual adjusters on ebay.
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