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[ChristoT]

I don't see how stopping in a yellow box junction because idiots aren't paying attention to the road and traffic around them classes as being 'stung', its one of the most annoying things in London, traffic gets blocked because of these idiots causing massive disruption for people that want to make progress on a quiet road going in a different direction to them!
There's few police on the road to do them for it so why not on CCTV!?

I don't work in London as you do, but I know what you mean. And yes, it is frustrating.

But I would personally go for prevention. Make the theory test harder, drum it in to learners that they should drive in a considerate manner. However, I would argue that those systems are there purely and simply to take money to fill the council coffers, money which won't go back to the roads, and instead is spent on these hugely expensive systems to sting motorists.

I know you disagree with the idea of being stung, but I refuse to believe those cameras are there with public service in mind. They are simply cash cows. Come in 1984, have a seat!!

[Punkstig]

It's not that I disagree with being stung, I'm just going what was the main start of this programme being made in the first place which was that particular yellow box junction in hammersmith!
Personally I got stung when stuck in traffic going the wrong side of those pedestrian kerbs in the middle of the road ignoring the keep left blue arrow, I'd done it hundreds of times before,  have I done it since?- not once!
so for that purpose in my experience the CCTV system and fine worked, but for lots of drivers in london they pay no attention whatsoever and some are just selfish and no amount of fines will change the way they drive!

[dBfazer600]

This has happened to a friend in Manchester where at a cross roads with lights and a solid white line he waited then crossed on green but was on wrong side of the white line when went back to red and got stung with a fine for blocking a junction. A mistake as he anticipated the traffic movement incorrectly in a forigne city. So this has already gone main stream and is a thing to come to all.

But how about moving over into a bus lane to get by stationary vehichle that is waiting to turn right where the road ahead and bus lane is clear do you move over then back into the correct lane asap?

Daz

[Punkstig]

But how about moving over into a bus lane to get by stationary vehichle that is waiting to turn right where the road ahead and bus lane is clear do you move over then back into the correct lane asap?

Daz

Is completely legal and acceptable so long as its only one car you are passing (ie not being impatient and undertaking several cars because the car behind the one turning right doesn't know this and is staying put!)
And so long as you move back into lane immediately!

[BBROWN1664]

Punk, I know people who have lost appeals for that one!

[snapper]

this as taken by my cousin today !