votes for prisoners

[Slaninar]

by the good old fashioned "HUMAN RIGHTS " asylum -"you give me benefits,house , free medical treatment ,schooling ,more benefits ,then when i get old free pensions,and old peoples home ,without me paying a penny into the society asylum human rights  :rolleyes

I get up at 6, go to work, come home about 17. Eat, walk the dog, and it's already dark. From 16 hours I'm awake, work takes 10, more than half!

A good friend of mine can't afford a motorcycle. He lives off welfare. Refuses to do minimum wage job, since it's almost like welfare but takes more than half of your day. He has all the day for himself. Walking by the river, reading etc. I respect that. Wouldn't force to work anyone who doesn't want to.


I understand if you blame immigrants for taking jobs for lower wages, making you too work for lower wage. But if you blame them for not working - are all the natives hard working, or do you not have "lazy" Englishmen as well. These last few posts are on the edge of racism/schauvinism.

Fingers say it all:
Stiff Little Fingers - Welcome To The Whole Week

[phillywilly]

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by the good old fashioned "HUMAN RIGHTS " asylum -"you give me benefits,house , free medical treatment ,schooling ,more benefits ,then when i get old free pensions,and old peoples home ,without me paying a penny into the society asylum human rights  :rolleyes

I get up at 6, go to work, come home about 17. Eat, walk the dog, and it's already dark. From 16 hours I'm awake, work takes 10, more than half!

A good friend of mine can't afford a motorcycle. He lives off welfare. Refuses to do minimum wage job, since it's almost like welfare but takes more than half of your day. He has all the day for himself. Walking by the river, reading etc. I respect that. Wouldn't force to work anyone who doesn't want to.


I understand if you blame immigrants for taking jobs for lower wages, making you too work for lower wage. But if you blame them for not working - are all the natives hard working, or do you not have "lazy" Englishmen as well. These last few posts are on the edge of racism/schauvinism.

Fingers say it all:
Stiff Little Fingers - Welcome To The Whole Week
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slaninar ,- my post is not about being racist at all,far from it ,BUT i do have a chip on my shoulder about "human rights" :z
ever since that word has abused by all illegal immigrants,prisoners , ect ect all it has ever achieved is to give the people who want to sponge in my country a lawful right to sponge and the government has to fall over backwards to them ...so my friend no,its not about racism

[VNA]

by the good old fashioned "HUMAN RIGHTS " asylum -"you give me benefits,house , free medical treatment ,schooling ,more benefits ,then when i get old free pensions,and old peoples home ,without me paying a penny into the society asylum human rights  [img alt=:rolleyes]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img alt=]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/wink.gif[/img]

Can you back any of that up with facts?  Cos me thinks you are full of foccin shite.

As for drug addicts, when are we going to realise the drug war has been lost.  You know about 90% plus of break ins and other 'minor' crimes in the town I live in are committed by drug addicts.  I say 'minor' because it ain't very minor if it happens to you.  Of course we insist in keeping drugs illegal and filling our prisons with drug addicts, instead of investing in programmes that will help and stabilise addicts and put the organised ciminals and drug dealers out of business .

Refuses to do minimum wage job, since it's almost like welfare but takes more than half of your day.

Can't blame him really.  But when are people going to wake up to the con of the minimum wage.  You can't live on the minimum wage, yet big national and multi-national companies use the minimum wage as if it were a living wage.  Why are we subsidising these fat cat directors and their rich shareholders, why have we got David Cameron and a cabinet of multimillionaires in power who protect the bankers, the fat cat directors, all their tax dodging friends instead of tackling the real issues that effect the rest of us.  Millions of people on the minimum wage get subsidies from other only slightly more wealthy tax payers.  The rich in this country are robbing the poor, and they are doing it broad daylight but people appear to be too stupid and blind to see it.  So instead they rant and rave about votes for prisoners (you know with soup kitchens and food banks opening up all over the country as a result of Tory policy you can bet that in turn the prison population is about to swell), benefits cheats, oh yes immigrants, can't be long before somebody starts ranting about Muslims too!

[alan09]

didnt think it would be long before some cnut played the racist card.....ok we give up

[Grahamm]

The single largest group of prisoners these days  (~50%) are druggies that are mugging/shoplifting/burgling in order to score their next fix, throw in the fact that most violent crime is comitted by people that have been drinking.  It shows how little understanding of the situation that the Daily Mail  readers have that they think either of these groups take time to consider the possible outcome of their actions.

I'm glad to see that at least *someone* understands the situation! :thumbup

[popeye72]

If we are going to have a go at immigrants, where I work we employ eastern European agency workers, minimum wage for a low skilled job. Why well we could not get any British national to do the work. These workers share lodgings and don’t expect luxuries, they work hard 12 hours a day and are glad for the opportunity. I have and I would work for minimum wage as for me its self-respect to say I am working. We can moan all we like about foreign workers but we as a nation have become spoilt and lazy. We pay the agency minimum wage as we would be out of business if we paid anymore.

[Robbie8666]

ok lets say prisoners are given the right to vote, whether you agree or disagree with this, which ward would they vote in? The one where the prison is situated or would they have a postal vote for the ward in which they lived in before been imprisoned?

[Farjo]

The latter - they'd get a vote at the address at which they resided immediately before they became a prisoner.

[Farjo]

And seeing as facts are being introduced into the argument :pokefun let me just point out that:

Not all prisoners will get the vote. There are three options: ban for prisoners sentenced to 4 years or more; ban for prisoners sentenced to 6 months or more; ban for all prisoners (i.e. no change).

The European Court of Human Rights has nothing to do with the European Union except the word European.

Almost all other European countries allow some or all their prisoners to vote.

[Grahamm]

ok lets say prisoners are given the right to vote, whether you agree or disagree with this, which ward would they vote in? The one where the prison is situated or would they have a postal vote for the ward in which they lived in before been imprisoned?

The one which they lived in.